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Old 12-03-18, 03:55 PM
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Park Tool so sharp...ouch!

Why is Park Tool charge premium for their tools but don't bother to finish their product?

I have the HCW-5 for BB...and it is sharp that I have to use a cloth wrapped around or it might cut my skin open.

I'm also looking to buy a tool for a fixed-gear lock ring ...is the HCW-17 the only game in town?
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Okay I found Senqi tool on Aliexpress for half the price of a Park. Is Senqi good for casual home use?

[p.s.] The reviewer says it only good for temporary/portable use only.

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Old 12-03-18, 04:37 PM
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Why not just de burr the edge with emery cloth? Or a grinder?

AS to fixed cog lock rings- know that they are a slightly smaller OD then BB one. So if the tool's curve is too large the hook might not hold in the ring's notch when really bearing down. And if you think a HCW edge cut is bad just wait for the hand punching the cog Andy
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I have to say that I think Park's tools often appear much cheaper than say wrenches such as Craftsman which are drop forged (presumably in greater numbers than Park's cone wrenches).

But, for a hook wrench, you do want the teeth as sharp as you can get them.

You could probably wrap the handle of your wrenches with a cloth tape (cloth bicycle tape or cloth electrical tape). Even the plastic stuff may give you some grip. Rubber?
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Originally Posted by CliffordK View Post
I have to say that I think Park's tools often appear much cheaper than say wrenches such as Craftsman which are drop forged (presumably in greater numbers than Park's cone wrenches).

But, for a hook wrench, you do want the teeth as sharp as you can get them.

You could probably wrap the handle of your wrenches with a cloth tape (cloth bicycle tape or cloth electrical tape). Even the plastic stuff may give you some grip. Rubber?
Wrap the handle portion with an inner tube strip. Finish with a couple of wraps of electrical tape. My peanut butter wrench wrap is going on 13 years.

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My Hozan is a lot nicer tool
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Originally Posted by Andrew R Stewart View Post
Why not just de burr the edge with emery cloth? Or a grinder?
I googled but found neither item available on Park Tool's website?
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That's how they can sell a cheap stamped tool for $16. That's why I paid a little more for this Hozan forged version made in Japan. Thicker, with sharp engagement hooks but rounded and comfortable handling surfaces.

My bike tool starter kit included the usual stamped tools. Some are useful if they don't involve much pressure -- cone wrenches, for example. But any stamped tool that involves heavy pressure will eventually cause problems. Tolerances are lousy, usually way too wide despite nominal specs. The engagement surfaces will slip, round off, damaging hard to replace parts on older bikes.

Same with adjustable wrenches. Get a Chan-nel Lock for a little more money and it won't slip around, dent or break the tool or nuts.
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Originally Posted by Andrew R Stewart
Why not just de burr the edge with emery cloth? Or a grinder?

Originally Posted by Sy Reene View Post
I googled but found neither item available on Park Tool's website?
And apparently not available in their production facility either.
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Originally Posted by dedhed View Post
My Hozan is a lot nicer tool
Agreed I'm a "rock Ring" guy too. It has both small and large curves for both BB and Fixed lock rings (and those head sets too).

For those of you who don't get the "Rock Ring" reference it's what the tool was cast with (as in the name on the tool) when I first saw one. Later versions had the cast in lettering changed to "Lock Ring". Andy
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Originally Posted by Sy Reene View Post
I googled but found neither item available on Park Tool's website?
I take this as satire, yes? Andy
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park tools are sufficient but not glamorous
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Originally Posted by canklecat View Post
That's how they can sell a cheap stamped tool for $16. That's why I paid a little more for this Hozan forged version made in Japan. Thicker, with sharp engagement hooks but rounded and comfortable handling surfaces.
Does this work on the lock ring for the fixed-gear cogs?
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Originally Posted by mtb_addict View Post
Does this work on the lock ring for the fixed-gear cogs?
Yes. As already mentioned the Hozan Lock Ring tool has two different curves at either end. One larger for BB rings and the other smaller for fixed cog rings (and sort of headsets). Andy
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I don't have a single parktool product but do find their youtube instructional videos extemely useful and welldone. I tend to go for tools that look fit for purpose at the lowest price and will sacrifice quality if its a tool I'm only going to use very occasionally. I think there are one or two tools that only parktools make so might get one in the future. I think its a bit like snap-on though where its more an exercise in marketing and sponsorship rather than offering tools at a competitive price. I can honestly say when I've examined some parktool products instore I have not been impressed with the quality and they have often been inferior to a tool that I might have bought for a fraction of the parktool price. At that point I just switch off from considering them in the future pretty much. Also they never seem to be discounted either. I remember going on a site a few years ago where it had a general sale but none of the parktools products were discounted. I tend to hate paying full price for anything and always look for a discount.
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Originally Posted by Andrew R Stewart View Post
Yes. As already mentioned the Hozan Lock Ring tool has two different curves at either end. One larger for BB rings and the other smaller for fixed cog rings (and sort of headsets). Andy
okay...just making sure. I didn't know if Hozan make lockring spanners in different sizes or not. Like Park, Park makes two different spanners for lock rings.
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Agreed I'm a "rock Ring" guy too. It has both small and large curves for both BB and Fixed lock rings (and those head sets too).

For those of you who don't get the "Rock Ring" reference it's what the tool was cast with (as in the name on the tool) when I first saw one. Later versions had the cast in lettering changed to "Lock Ring". Andy
I am sooo hoping that story is true.

Mine is the older Rock Ring version.

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I am seeing Hozan C-203 pliers on Ebay. Is this meant for the Fixed-Gear lock ring?

What do you think? It cost a little more than the wrench.


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I don't think so. These pliers have been around a long time and I've don't remember their ever being referenced as anything other then headset threaded race tools. Here's the link to the horses mouth, only three clicks for this answer. https://www.hozan.co.jp/cycle_e/catalog/BB/index.html Andy
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Originally Posted by mtb_addict View Post
I am seeing Hozan C-203 pliers on Ebay. Is this meant for the Fixed-Gear lock ring?

What do you think? It cost a little more than the wrench.


The C-203 is an excellent lock ring pliers, but it only works on lock rings with an even number of notches. For three-notch lock rings, you'll still need a hook spanner.

FYI, you can make a functional equivalent of the C-203 from a set of slip-jaw pliers, often at lower cost than the C-203:

https://www.instructables.com/id/DIY-Lockring-Pliers/
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The only Park Tool tool I have is an overpriced screwdriver and it's like cheese. I'm sure some of their more specific tools are more substantial, and it's easy to just search out the tool you require via Park, but I won't be buying their stuff again. I now use the screwdriver for DIY and bought some much better quality Wera Kraftform screwdrivers for DIY and bike specific use. The difference in quality is worlds apart.

There's a guitar tool company called Stewart MacDonald (StewMac) and their tools are good, you'll find everything you need, but they are also are way overpriced: they're the luthier's equivalent of Park Tool.

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I gave up on park BB wrenches for the same reason..they seem flimsy and also seem to be just a bit off, I bit the bullet and bought some used Campy wrenches and am happy with the quality and the results when wrenching.
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This is a great thread. Before, I had no idea: I though Park is like Snap-on of bike tools. After reading this thread, I realize it's more like Craftsmen.
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I was looking at some of the VAR tools online.

https://www.sheldonbrown.com/var/index.html

It looks like they used to have a very full line of bike tools. I think the company is still around, at least the name is still around, but their offerings look much cheapened, and greatly reduced.

I have to wonder if Park's big contribution to the field was undercutting the competition with cheap tools.
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Years ago VAR joined forces with Park, I believe for the Euro market. Business is full of insidious dealings. Just like politics Andy
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