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Old 02-02-19, 08:57 PM
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Looking to upgrade 1998 Cannondale R200

Had it since new. Low miles. Yes, I crashed on it. Had the frame inspected by two shops. Needed a new front wheel, and handlebars.I've lost a lot of wieight, and was going to use this bike on the trainer. BUT. The RSX brifters were gummed up.

Bike as outfitted has RSX 3x7 brifters, brake calipers and RD. Crankset is 3 ring Shimano 105 FC-1057 and FD-1057 FD...

Which leads to my round of questions...
1. Will a 8,9,10 speed freehub fit in place of the old 7 speed hub?
2. If not, is it possible to have a shop bend the aluminum frame to fit the wider hub?

I'm believing if I can go 8, 9 or 10 speed, guessing my 105 crankset won't work with the narrower chain.

No, it isn't cost effective to update this bike, if I were going to sell. I've upgraded my old KHS to Shimano 105 5600 10 speed. Certainly no value in that, but it was a old friend and I'm enjoying it again.
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1: Maybe, maybe not. 7-speed width between the dropouts was 126mm, 8/9/10-speed is 130mm. However, some manufacturers split the difference in order to use different groups on the same frame production line. Given the vintage, I'd bet your frame is 130mm. Try it!
2. Probably not necessary and it will be tough to find a shop that would do it for you. Most shops won't try to align an aluminum frame due to fatigue concerns. Whether these concerns are warranted... I dunno.

I'd bet your existing crank will work fine with an 8-speed chain and might be OK with 9-speed. If you want to try 9-speed, the chainrings should bolt right on.
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Ok. I officially feel silly. For not just trying to slip a different wheel in. Simple answer, it fits perfect.

Ok. Now I can start looking for newer brifters. The old RSX brifters got gummed up with old grease. I am now curious if the RSX RD-A410 will cover up to 10 speed or not. Probably go with Microshift if I buy new.

Thanks!
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Flush the shifters with WD-40. One of the few uses where it works well.
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Originally Posted by Bill Kapaun View Post
Flush the shifters with WD-40. One of the few uses where it works well.
Agreed. Shimano shifters with gummed-up grease is a very common problem. WD-40 works to break up the old grease, but I follow that with a petroleum-based spray oil. I gave my early-'90's XTR shifters this treatment about 15 years ago and they've worked fine ever since.
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Ditto. My 1996 3x7 RSX brifters are still working great. I need to do the WD-40 flush every five years or so.
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Or try these like-new RS-500 8 speed shifters I have for sale. They shift either a double or a triple, and index perfectly with any Shimano FD and RD (except the notorious DA 8740X).
Perfect hoods and lever blades, shift like a charm. PM me if interested:
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Originally Posted by zjrog View Post
Ok. Now I can start looking for newer brifters. The old RSX brifters got gummed up with old grease. I am now curious if the RSX RD-A410 will cover up to 10 speed or not. Probably go with Microshift if I buy new.

Thanks!
The RSX RD should have enough travel to do it, but i dont't know if a 10-sp chain will like riding on those 7/8-sp pulleys.

Also, if you go to 9- or 10-speed, the FD cage will be so wide, it'll have trouble picking the chain up to make shifts. I wanted to keep my 3x FD, when i went to 9-speed, but the the chain is just so narrow inside the cage, that it can't pick up the shift pins on the chainrings. I had to use all the travel on the 4500/3 (3x) shifters to make a single upshift. I ended up getting a new FD-5600.
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Old 02-04-19, 11:09 AM
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My initial efforts to un-gummy the shifters met with no success. I went straight to automotive brake cleaner to clear the gum deposits. With zero success. I gave a lot of thought to disassembly. And I still might, as I am building a new workbench for such projects in my basement. I can't seem to keep my garage bench clear... I did purchase new cables all the same, for someday, clean the current or upgrade...
@rccardr, I will give the 8 speed set a serious consideration. With the triple chainring, My first thought was why go one extra cog, but 8 might be sufficient and ought to work with the RSX RD... And, I do have an 8 speed cluster on hand to begin with.
@Ironfish653, thanks for the RD info, and the FD. I'm guessing the RD pulleys are interchangeable between series. As luck has it there are a few 105, and Ultegra FDs available locally.

I also have a 29er built off a Performance Access frame, the guy that gave it to me has an interesting mix of parts the work well, 9 speed Sora ST-3500 triple brifters on a drop bar, with a SLX RD-M662 RD, SRAM X5 FD and Avid BB5 disc brakes. Comfortable ride, And a 1991 Trek 7000 with original Deore LX 7 speed drivetrain. I keep the Trek at work, and it is going to stay as close to original as I can keep it. I have 3 other bikes, but they are out with my son, daughter and son inlaw... Yes, I have a reasonable N+1 issue. Odd for a guy afraid of riding on hills...
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...... with a 2019 C'dale bike buy?
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Old 02-09-19, 05:06 PM
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...... with a 2019 C'dale bike buy?
That's a bit rich for my blood presently, or, difficult to justify.
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I do a brifter flush with CRC Power Lube in the red can. This stuff has PTFE in it, so it lubes as well as being a solvent.

I still have yet to find a pair of gummed shifters I haven't been able to free with this technique. The key is patience. It has taken me a good half-hour on each shifter - spray, let drain, work shifter both ways, repeat - to free a badly gummed one. Keep at it, you'll get it.
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Old 02-10-19, 11:23 PM
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I do a brifter flush with CRC Power Lube in the red can. This stuff has PTFE in it, so it lubes as well as being a solvent.

I still have yet to find a pair of gummed shifters I haven't been able to free with this technique. The key is patience. It has taken me a good half-hour on each shifter - spray, let drain, work shifter both ways, repeat - to free a badly gummed one. Keep at it, you'll get it.
I may try that, as soon as it is warm outside again.
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your upgrade is all parts at retail , so It wont be exactly cheap..




New bike they whole kit was assembled at the lowest cost Large order at OEM Wholesale..

Might find a used bike with the parts you want , .. to strip and put them on your bike, then sell everything else on eBay






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I would bet the frame is 130 spaced, despite coming with a 7 speed setup originally.

I have had STI levers work after flushing with very hot water, after solvent flushing didn't work.
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A 1998 Cannondale coming stock with 7 speed? I started running 8 speed Dura Ace in 1989, hard to believe that any 1998 Cannondale came with 7 speed originally.
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Originally Posted by fietsbob View Post
your upgrade is all parts at retail , so It wont be exactly cheap..

New bike they whole kit was assembled at the lowest cost Large order at OEM Wholesale..
Might find a used bike with the parts you want , .. to strip and put them on your bike, then sell everything else on eBay
I have had excellent luck with finding what I need when others upgrade. And with spring just around the corner... Thoughts turn to what's the next best thing for many...
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Originally Posted by oliver1850 View Post
I would bet the frame is 130 spaced, despite coming with a 7 speed setup originally.

I have had STI levers work after flushing with very hot water, after solvent flushing didn't work.
In the above pic, I did indeed slide a 130 spaced wheel in place. Still feel silly asking that question when all I needed to do was slip in a different wheel. I did also measure the spacing...

I may access to a steamer with a thin wand, that might break up that grease.
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A 1998 Cannondale coming stock with 7 speed? I started running 8 speed Dura Ace in 1989, hard to believe that any 1998 Cannondale came with 7 speed originally.
The bike indeed came with 7 speed RSX in 98, bought the bike new. Likely the last year or maybe the next offering a 7 speed rear. I recall then, wondering how they could find the space for 8 and the old guy running that shop mentioned that 9 and 10 speeds were coming...
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Originally Posted by zjrog View Post
Had it since new. Low miles. Yes, I crashed on it. Had the frame inspected by two shops. Needed a new front wheel, and handlebars.I've lost a lot of wieight, and was going to use this bike on the trainer. BUT. The RSX brifters were gummed up.
First, the RSX shifters can sometimes be revived. Get some WD-40 or Speed Degreaser and spray it into the shifter mechanism. This will often clear out the old gummy grease and get them functioning again.

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Bike as outfitted has RSX 3x7 brifters, brake calipers and RD. Crankset is 3 ring Shimano 105 FC-1057 and FD-1057 FD...

Which leads to my round of questions...
1. Will a 8,9,10 speed freehub fit in place of the old 7 speed hub?
I think you have already answer that question.
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2. If not, is it possible to have a shop bend the aluminum frame to fit the wider hub?
No. But the frame might have enough spring to it for the next size up hub. A 126mm frame can be sprung out to a 130mm hub. It takes a bit of effort but you can jam the wheel in. 4mm, by the way, is only 1/8" which ain't much in the grand scheme of things.

But, again, you answered that question.
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I'm believing if I can go 8, 9 or 10 speed, guessing my 105 crankset won't work with the narrower chain.
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The chains are only narrower on the outside. They still have the same internal pitch. The best approach is the same one that you used with the wheel. Just try it and see. If you it works, you're golden. If it doesn't work, you'd have to buy a crank anyway so you aren't out any money you weren't planning on.

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No, it isn't cost effective to update this bike, if I were going to sell. I've upgraded my old KHS to Shimano 105 5600 10 speed. Certainly no value in that, but it was a old friend and I'm enjoying it again.
No, it's not cost effective but the last "new" bike I bought was in 12 years ago. Every other bike I own has been used frames that are older than that and I built them up to my own tastes. Not a cheap way to get bikes but I get what I want.
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The bike indeed came with 7 speed RSX in 98, bought the bike new. Likely the last year or maybe the next offering a 7 speed rear. I recall then, wondering how they could find the space for 8 and the old guy running that shop mentioned that 9 and 10 speeds were coming...
Actually 9 speed was available on some 1997 models. Campagnolo introduced 10 speed Record and Chorus for the 2000 model year.
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Actually 9 speed was available on some 1997 models. Campagnolo introduced 10 speed Record and Chorus for the 2000 model year.
I was slipping out of the bike scene at that time, so I lost track of things like that... Thanks!
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As I have mentioned elsewhere, I'm not a patient person. My attempts to ungummy the brifters was a failure at the first and second attempts. But, it was winter. So, today I.lay the brifters on the sun for a while before repeatedly flooding them with WD40. Short answer is, it worked.

So my upgrade path may only be with a different rear cassette. 11 to 24 is awfully tight. Yet, 11 to 30 all but negates the third chainring. Ohhhhh, decisions...

But deciding to just keep this as it is for the most part. New chain, cables and cassette... After all. It has new stable mates.

A 1992 Trek 1400. Full 105 1055 group. Currently rolling 105 5600 hubs, and 11 to 28 cassette.

And a suggestion of a 2019 Cannondale was made. Well. Not 2019, but 2006 CAAD8 R1000 frame... Building it as a reward for my next weight loss goals, less than 30 pounds to go...

DT Swiss R1800 wheelset, SRAM Red crankset and. SRAM Force 2x10 brifters. Needs a RD, chain, brakes and cables... I got very lucky with all the above...

I will add, I found a 1998 Scwinn Passage for my daughter. Similarly equipped aluminum bike to this R200 CAD2. Looking forward to riding ether the R200 or Trek 1400 with her.

Ok. Bills to take care of, then a bunch of bike parts to find... Darned responsibilities!

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