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Old 03-30-19, 01:32 PM
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Since it was mentioned a few posts ago, thought Iíd derail my own thread for a moment with a few thoughts on putting drop bars on a hybrid.
There are certainly some hybrid frames out there that wonít work well with drop bars.
My Multitrack is pretty good. The geometry is quite similar to a 520 from that era, or a cyclocross frame. Overall the riding experience isnít that much different than the old Raleigh 12 speed I was commuting on prior to this one, pic below.
When I bought the Multitrack I wasnít even planning to put drops on it, I just liked it so much I made it my daily rider. My commute is long-ish at 12 miles each way. I did not really enjoy using it every day with the stock riser bars and stem. For whatever reason I found it uncomfortable to be that upright for that long. And on days with a 20mph headwind gusting 35 on the ride home I really missed being able to get down out of the wind a little. So I thought Iíd try it with drop bars. I still have the old cockpit but I really like it with drop bars. The handling is not snappy but I donít expect it to be. I might try swapping the 100mm stem with an 80. I put about 4,000 commuting miles on the Raleigh and now itís my sonís beater single speed flat bar bike. I have 1100 miles on the Multitrack, about 900 miles or so I guess on the conversion.


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I used to travel to work and back 20 miles a day in the mid 70s on a Raleigh GP i bought new, little bit dearer than the average - perfect for the job! I'd cruise at 35 MPH most of the time, and do good time. I can't imagine achieving that with a Hybrid though, what's the gearing like with the Muilti?
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My Wheeler Hybrid's a beautiful thing. it's so comfortable / rideable, i use it sometimes as a fitness bike off road, when i'm on the road wanting to go fast i run out of gears :-D



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Old 03-30-19, 03:26 PM
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Iím not a strong rider, Iíve only had the Multitrack up to 25mph and it still had gears.
I replaced the stock 24/32/38 crank with a 24/34/42, with 11-28 7 spd cassette on the rear. I never use the 11 or 28 tooth cogs so Iíve been thinking about a 12-25 if I can find one. I very seldom average better than 13mph with a headwind or about 16 with a tailwind. I have to give myself participation points since my speed is so low. Iíve never even seen 35mph on a bike. There arenít any hills here. Sounds terrifying, I canít imagine cruising at 35 even if I could get a bike going that fast!
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Actually 35mph on a bike is amazing. I follow a few bike racers on Strava just out of interest and theyíre only cruising at 20-25mph on their training rides. You must be an exceptional athlete! Did you/do you also race?
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Good looking Trek. I've set up my early 1990s Univega somewhat similarly, from sorta-mountain bike to more commuter mode. Albatross bars just below saddle height, with Shimano bar end shifters.

I used compressionless cable housing so I could try index shifting. Nothing wrong with friction mode, I was just curious. When I switched from a wheelset with 7-speed freehub to another with 8-speed I got a MicroShift 8-speed cassette that's supposedly Shimano compatible. It does index shift well from the 11-28 cogs, but won't reach the 32T cog unless I'm in friction mode. But that's a limitation of the original Shimano Exage rear derailleur, not the bar end shifters, cable/housing or cassette. If I really need that 32 cog I can switch back to friction mode, or buy another RD. Resetting the RD mount or wheel spacing might help too, but I haven't really needed more than the 30T chainring and 28 rear cog for our hills -- they're mostly short and steep.
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Originally Posted by le mans View Post
My Wheeler Hybrid's a beautiful thing. it's so comfortable / rideable, i use it sometimes as a fitness bike off road, when i'm on the road wanting to go fast i run out of gears :-D


Nice! Very similar I think to my Multitrack, maybe a little higher end. I would definitely put drop bars on that frame but Iíd have about 7Ē of exposed seatpost and the bars would be 3Ē below saddle. I found drop bars to be pretty pointless until theyíre below the saddle by an inch or two but thatís just my own experience, YMMV as they say.
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Cheers, i rode those distances for about 2 years before i got a drivers license. After about 12 months i installed a speedo, cars would just slowly overtake doing the speed limit so it's more closer to 30MPH, But my best speed was 35MPH, my best times travelling 10 miles were 15 - 20 minutes and i'd do that regularly earlier on in the week after a weekends rest, by the end of the week i'd slow down. On average i'd do better times than a Bus :-D

I've fitted an adjustable stem since on the hybrid so the bar sits lower, the longer reach suits me perfectly too, most hybrids i've tinkered with have shorter top tubes

Wasn't a racer mate, youth!
No way could i ride like that now

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Originally Posted by canklecat View Post
Good looking Trek. I've set up my early 1990s Univega somewhat similarly, from sorta-mountain bike to more commuter mode. Albatross bars just below saddle height, with Shimano bar end shifters.

I used compressionless cable housing so I could try index shifting. Nothing wrong with friction mode, I was just curious. When I switched from a wheelset with 7-speed freehub to another with 8-speed I got a MicroShift 8-speed cassette that's supposedly Shimano compatible. It does index shift well from the 11-28 cogs, but won't reach the 32T cog unless I'm in friction mode. But that's a limitation of the original Shimano Exage rear derailleur, not the bar end shifters, cable/housing or cassette. If I really need that 32 cog I can switch back to friction mode, or buy another RD. Resetting the RD mount or wheel spacing might help too, but I haven't really needed more than the 30T chainring and 28 rear cog for our hills -- they're mostly short and steep.
Yeah buddy. Iíve sometimes found myself wishing mine was a factory 8 speed but 7 seems to be enough for all the effort I can muster. I donít really want to change the rear wheel until I have to, maybe then Iíll think about 8 speed. As long as I can still buy 7 speed parts I think Iíll keep running it that way. One other cool thing I have going is another spare set of 7 speed wheels with a 14-34t megarange. This last winter I kept my studded tires on those wheels so I was able to swap back and forth between studs and street tires as road conditions required and was very pleased. My wifeís bike has an 8 spd drivetrain though and Iím envious, thereís just a wider variety of parts available for 8 speed at this time, or so it seems to me.
I think these old hybrids are a wise investment. Very good bikes for most commuters. My wifeís bike has a suspension fork and Iím not sure how I like it but itís not my bike. She doesnít have any complaints. Her bike is aluminum and and outfitted similarly to mine except with flat bars and even with the heavy suspension fork itís a good 5 lbs lighter than mine.
FWIW, I donít drive. This Multitrack is my only vehicle and Iím quite pleased with it. I have a couple beaters I can use as a backup but would not ride them every day.
Edit: if I ever do decide to go 8 speed, Iíve seriously considered using all Microshift. It seems like a good value and Iíve heard mostly positive things.

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Old 03-30-19, 04:43 PM
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As for friction vs index I sure liked it (indexing) while I still had the factory bars. I think I prefer the overall simplicity and reliability of friction shifting. Itís also way less fussy, at least for me, but Iím a lazy mechanic. I hope itís ok to openly admit that here.

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Cheers, i rode those distances for about 2 years before i got a drivers license. After about 12 months i installed a speedo, cars would just slowly overtake doing the speed limit so it's more closer to 30MPH, But my best speed was 35MPH, my best times travelling 10 miles were 15 - 20 minutes and i'd do that regularly earlier on in the week after a weekends rest, by the end of the week i'd slow down. On average i'd do better times than a Bus :-D

I've fitted an adjustable stem since on the hybrid so the bar sits lower, the longer reach suits me perfectly too, most hybrids i've tinkered with have shorter top tubes

Wasn't a racer mate, youth!
No way could i ride like that now
I wonder if your speedometer was in kph. 35kph is 22mph, I think if I were 25 and in good shape I could cruise around 22 on a road bike. Iím 37 now and have a permanent leg injury. I can sprint to 25mph (40kph) and hold 18mph (30kph) if Iím fresh and winds are light and leave the pannier off my bike.
Iím just seldom fresh.
That sounds about right re:the buses. Our city buses average about 10mph, it takes just over an hour to get downtown on the bus from the closest stop to my house, itís a 10 mile trip. On the bike I make it downtown in about 45 minutes generally, about 12-13mph average. Itís almost always quicker to bike than bus so long as you have a safe place to do it.

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Back in them days in Australia everything was MPH not Kms, i remember looking at the speedo i'd always hit the 30MPH + mark

I travelled on Albany Hwy in Perth where the Buses did more than 10MPH
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Back in them days in Australia everything was MPH not Kms, i remember looking at the speedo i'd always hit the 30MPH + mark

I travelled on Albany Hwy in Perth where the Buses did more than 10MPH
Iím speechless. You should have been a racer. Cheers to you too. Iíll drink to lost youth.

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The main difference I've had with Barcons, using the old coiled cable housing and modern housings, is that the old cable tends to droop downwards after it exits the bar wrap, while modern housing is stiffer.

As for the paint rubbing on the bottom of the headtube, Jagwire makes a soft rubber frame protector they call "5G Tube Tops", which can be snapped over the cable anywhere it might rub the frame.

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I didn't think anything of it - thought it was normal at the time, so never really spoke to anyone about how fast i rode, Nothing in the media in the 70s to compare myself..or if there were i didn't bother to research it. I remember work mates were amazed at the "distance" i travelled though each day. I was earning good money - it motivated me... to catch a bus would be a hassle, too many bus routes too many buses to catch and i'd have to walk some, stuff that, that bike gave me independence & it was my sole transport.

One time riding to work a kid in a car with the window down... slowly creeping passed me, said: hey dad he's going as fast as you
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Iím betting you were riding 30 to 50 miles a day. Sometimes as much as 80.
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