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Old 04-30-19, 11:35 AM
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Ski Wax - Seems to Work

I've read the many threads about chain waxing and all of the various wax potions that have been tried....so... I had some left-over 'warm weather' wax from this past ski season and decided to trust in the wisdom and innovation of the ski industry as it relates to the defeat of friction. The warm weather ski wax is pretty soft at room temperature and must be an amalgam of ingredients.

I double-boiled the wax in an old rice cooker and dropped in a 10 speed chain - swirled for a minute or so until the yellow wax turned a dirty grey from the debris inside the link surfaces - then drip-dried the chain. After that I manually ran the chain around a 1 inch dowel to break the links free - flipped and repeated. Prior to the wax I gave the chain a shake in mineral spirits for a minute or two and let dry.

I re-installed the chain and after 25 miles wiped the wax flakes off with a rag. Another 25 mile ride and all is quiet and happy. We'll see how long it lasts, but it is a pretty simple and seemingly effective process.

The only weak link in this plan is if I have to re-wax every few hundred miles that can get expensive because the 10 speed master links are about $5.00 each - and according to industry thou shall not re-use master links!

If you've got some ski wax hanging around give it a try.
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I do the same with Paraffin, and I use one link for the life of the chain.
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As soon as the chain and cassette wear-out you'll know how well it works, or not. Obviously, regular chain oil is not good enough.
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Realistically I think chain makers want you to change the master link when you change the chain, not every time you R&R the chain. I keep a few used master links
for the rare occasion of a chain break or damage by mis-shift in the rear. These are in the tool bag on the bike.
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Originally Posted by AnkleWork View Post
As soon as the chain and cassette wear-out you'll know how well it works, or not. Obviously, regular chain oil is not good enough.
Regular chain oil? That's way too easy.
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Originally Posted by sch View Post
Realistically I think chain makers want you to change the master link when you change the chain, not every time you R&R the chain. I keep a few used master links
for the rare occasion of a chain break or damage by mis-shift in the rear. These are in the tool bag on the bike.
I used a new KMC Missing Link to re-connect the KMC 10-speed chain - had to actually stand with all my weight on the DS pedal and bounce a little to get it to click into place - never had to do that before. I doubt I'll be able to get the link off without the link removal tool. I'll probably do as advised by the chain manufacturer and replace the link when nec., but keep a used link in the bike bag.
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this seems really odd to me.... why would anyone think ski wax would work.... and good ski wax is expensive..... I sure am not using my fluor stuff on a bike chain

I fail to understand why people don't just use commercial chain lubes..... purpose designed. you can get one for you needs, dry or not dry, etc I stick with rock and roll gold ymmv
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Originally Posted by squirtdad View Post
this seems really odd to me.... why would anyone think ski wax would work.... and good ski wax is expensive..... I sure am not using my fluor stuff on a bike chain

I fail to understand why people don't just use commercial chain lubes..... purpose designed. you can get one for you needs, dry or not dry, etc I stick with rock and roll gold ymmv
But it's the experimentation that makes it fun!

If ski wax turns out to be a dud, I'm going straight Crisco. My dad swore by it for flaky pie crusts so why wouldn't it work great for bike chains?

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The only weak link in this plan is if I have to re-wax every few hundred miles that can get expensive because the 10 speed master links are about $5.00 each - and according to industry thou shall not re-use master links!
Get a Connex quick link. They are reusable and don't require tools.
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My bike workshop is converted to an XC ski workshop around December, so my ski wax is generally right beside my chain oil. I, too, have used wax as a lubricant - not for the chain (yet) but for cables and other stuff.

Also, I think colder weather (harder) wax is likely a better bet as it is less sticky.

Ski glide wax, as I understand it, is not there to reduce friction - in fact, if you leave any noticeable amount on your ski base your skiis will be slow as poop. You have to scrape off as much as possible after waxing, then brush the base. The wax is primarily there to control the 'hairs' (microscopic chains of plastic) that stick up from your ski base. I could be wrong about this, though.
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Originally Posted by jlaw View Post
The only weak link in this plan is if I have to re-wax every few hundred miles that can get expensive because the 10 speed master links are about $5.00 each - and according to industry thou shall not re-use master links!
KMC makes reusable links if you are worried about it.

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I don't see why ski wax wouldn't work-- I don't think it's all too different from any other "sport" wax, other than the formulation for a specific range of temperatures.

WEND Waxworks makes ski & snowboard wax (rub on, brush on, and hot melt,) as well as cycling-specific waxes (roll on and hot melt,) oh, and they own Sticky Bumps, so they make surf wax as well.

I still have a few pucks of Mr. Zogs sitting in a box around here somewhere, I should try giving a chain a Sex Wax dip just to see how that works out.
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Originally Posted by squirtdad View Post
this seems really odd to me.... why would anyone think ski wax would work.... and good ski wax is expensive..... I sure am not using my fluor stuff on a bike chain

I fail to understand why people don't just use commercial chain lubes..... purpose designed. you can get one for you needs, dry or not dry, etc I stick with rock and roll gold ymmv
Like this?
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Originally Posted by Wilfred Laurier View Post
My bike workshop is converted to an XC ski workshop around December, so my ski wax is generally right beside my chain oil. I, too, have used wax as a lubricant - not for the chain (yet) but for cables and other stuff.

Also, I think colder weather (harder) wax is likely a better bet as it is less sticky.

Ski glide wax, as I understand it, is not there to reduce friction - in fact, if you leave any noticeable amount on your ski base your skiis will be slow as poop. You have to scrape off as much as possible after waxing, then brush the base. The wax is primarily there to control the 'hairs' (microscopic chains of plastic) that stick up from your ski base. I could be wrong about this, though.
Ski wax is actually there to increase friction between the snow and the base, to create a microscopic water layer that you're actually gliding on, while being hydrophobic
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Originally Posted by Wilfred Laurier View Post
My bike workshop is converted to an XC ski workshop around December, so my ski wax is generally right beside my chain oil. I, too, have used wax as a lubricant - not for the chain (yet) but for cables and other stuff.

Also, I think colder weather (harder) wax is likely a better bet as it is less sticky.

Ski glide wax, as I understand it, is not there to reduce friction - in fact, if you leave any noticeable amount on your ski base your skiis will be slow as poop. You have to scrape off as much as possible after waxing, then brush the base. The wax is primarily there to control the 'hairs' (microscopic chains of plastic) that stick up from your ski base. I could be wrong about this, though.
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I don't see why ski wax wouldn't work-- I don't think it's all too different from any other "sport" wax, other than the formulation for a specific range of temperatures.

WEND Waxworks makes ski & snowboard wax (rub on, brush on, and hot melt,) as well as cycling-specific waxes (roll on and hot melt,) oh, and they own Sticky Bumps, so they make surf wax as well.

I still have a few pucks of Mr. Zogs sitting in a box around here somewhere, I should try giving a chain a Sex Wax dip just to see how that works out.
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Ski wax is actually there to increase friction between the snow and the base, to create a microscopic water layer that you're actually gliding on, while being hydrophobic

I should have been more specific - I used Toko yellow (warm weather) alpine ski wax - about $10 for 1/2 lb. - enough for many chains. As has been mentioned there is bike-specific chain wax, but I had this stuff so decided to wing it. So far so good.
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KMC makes reusable links if you are worried about it.

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Originally Posted by jadocs View Post
Get a Connex quick link. They are reusable and don't require tools.
Did not know this. Thanks!
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Originally Posted by DrIsotope View Post
I don't see why ski wax wouldn't work-- I don't think it's all too different from any other "sport" wax, other than the formulation for a specific range of temperatures.

WEND Waxworks makes ski & snowboard wax (rub on, brush on, and hot melt,) as well as cycling-specific waxes (roll on and hot melt,) oh, and they own Sticky Bumps, so they make surf wax as well.

I still have a few pucks of Mr. Zogs sitting in a box around here somewhere, I should try giving a chain a Sex Wax dip just to see how that works out
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I really want to see how that works out......still remember a guy putting sex wax on the botton of a rental surfboard....thinking board wax was like ski wax to slip through the water faster...... never saw quite that much sand stuck to the bottom of a surfboard
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Originally Posted by squirtdad View Post
this seems really odd to me.... why would anyone think ski wax would work.... and good ski wax is expensive..... I sure am not using my fluor stuff on a bike chain

I fail to understand why people don't just use commercial chain lubes..... purpose designed. you can get one for you needs, dry or not dry, etc I stick with rock and roll gold ymmv
And if you are really cheap, you can use the original commercial chain lube. 3-in-1 oil. Yes, it was formulated for bicycle chains. Back when the brightest minds on the planet were designing bikes, not video games.

I confess, I use Triflo on my good bikes and Finish Line wet for my rain/winter/city bikes. But I have 3-in-1 and wouldn't be afraid to use it on a chain.

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I really want to see how that works out......still remember a guy putting sex wax on the botton of a rental surfboard....thinking board wax was like ski wax to slip through the water faster...... never saw quite that much sand stuck to the bottom of a surfboard
Will do - even if it turns out to be a bad idea.

What I really want to get my hands on is the stuff that KMC coats their chains with in the package. I bought the subject chain in March 2018 and simply took it out of the package and stuck it on the bike. I didn't touch it all last summer - no lube, no cleaning - 1200 miles and it was fine with no squeaking or gunk build-up on the drivetrain. I only waxed it recently because being a new season I felt obligated to do something with the chain when I did the annual bike tune-up.
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Did not know this. Thanks!
No problem, I have been running them exclusively on all my bikes. I am super anal about maintaining my bike after every ride and remove the chain to wipe the funk off/clean and relube as part of the process. It also makes cleaning the rings and cassette so much easier and thorough.
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But it's the experimentation that makes it fun!

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I agree with this post. I'm going to try chain lube on my skis. Will report back next early next Winter.
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My brother Billy just gits a ol used up candle stub and rubs that sucker on there real good
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Will do - even if it turns out to be a bad idea.

What I really want to get my hands on is the stuff that KMC coats their chains with in the package. I bought the subject chain in March 2018 and simply took it out of the package and stuck it on the bike. I didn't touch it all last summer - no lube, no cleaning - 1200 miles and it was fine with no squeaking or gunk build-up on the drivetrain. I only waxed it recently because being a new season I felt obligated to do something with the chain when I did the annual bike tune-up.
This may be it. https://www.fuchs.com/lubritech/en/s...hainlife-px-2/ I believe they make the chain lube for the bike industry.
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What's next, Astroglide?
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What's next, Astroglide?

Hmmmmm.....
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