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Old 11-03-19, 09:12 AM
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2020 Spec Roll Elite

So, I bought the rig that felt right. Almost! Enter the Geezer Glide, The Roll!

The center of gravity, feeling the lowest of all candidates, sold me.

The issue is the saddle is pitched up, high in the front and it hurts. No amount of adjustment available on the OE stem mount. The attached tag shows Spec demands it pitched up in front. Bollocks! IMO, Spec did it to compensate for the juice brakes. Reason, squeeze the trigger, receive instant feedback.

What's it gonna take to make this bike posteriorly perfect?
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Old 11-03-19, 10:03 AM
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Originally Posted by Fatter Frank View Post
No amount of adjustment available on the OE stem mount.
Sounds like you need a different seatpost which offers more adjustment. Perhaps the dealer will allow some credit for your old one. There is more to bike fit than center of gravity feel.
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Old 11-03-19, 10:25 AM
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Originally Posted by dsbrantjr View Post
Sounds like you need a different seatpost which offers more adjustment. Perhaps the dealer will allow some credit for your old one. There is more to bike fit than center of gravity feel.
Exactly! A good fit, fits you. One that doesn't feel like you're riding a high wire. The 27.2 post in my Verve will slip right in and it may solve the issue, we'll see.
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Old 11-03-19, 10:30 AM
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Exactly! A good fit, fits you. One that doesn't feel like you're riding a high wire. The 27.2 post in my Verve will slip right in and it may solve the issue, we'll see.
I'd start with trying that and if it works look at getting a new one for your bike. I had a bike with the same limitations and ended up swapping out seats and posts before coming up with a good fit. Of course, I was trying all the junk that I found at Goodwill trying to come up with a solution, which takes time if not money...
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Looks like a suspension seatpost with normal adjustment but the saddle does have a peculiar shape. Maybe the shop has a saddle trial program.
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Now that I look at the ad copy: https://www.specialized.com/us/en/roll-elite/p/106882 I see that the large backward angle of the seat tube is contributing to the problem of getting the saddle nose low enough.
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Old 11-03-19, 07:17 PM
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I wonder if turning the saddle clamp 180 would allow more tilt in the direction you want.
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Originally Posted by Fatter Frank View Post
So, I bought the rig that felt right. Almost! Enter the Geezer Glide, The Roll!

The center of gravity, feeling the lowest of all candidates, sold me.

The issue is the saddle is pitched up, high in the front and it hurts. No amount of adjustment available on the OE stem mount. The attached tag shows Spec demands it pitched up in front. Bollocks! IMO, Spec did it to compensate for the juice brakes. Reason, squeeze the trigger, receive instant feedback.

What's it gonna take to make this bike posteriorly perfect?
If that bike feels right, then you should consider a full recumbent fitted with a big easy chair.
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Old 12-23-19, 09:14 AM
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I brought home my new Roll Elite Saturday. I made all of the adjustments to fine tune the fit to me. After several rides, the seat fits me fine. Slow speed control is very good.
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Old 12-24-19, 03:34 PM
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What happened to the one you bought in November?
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Old 12-24-19, 05:00 PM
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Sometimes those comfort bikes/saddles are comfy only for a few miles. My predecessor to that bike, the mid-2000s Globe Carmel (before Specialized rolled Globe back into the main lineup), was like that. Comfy for a few miles, then kinda achy beyond 10 miles.

The fat, plush saddle with springs and weird nose-up tilt got uncomfortable after a while. I switched to a narrower older Bell comfort saddle, Lycra fabric over progressive density foam. Much better. Still have it four years later. I only ride that bike for local errand now but it took only a couple of tweaks to make it suitable for longer all day rides at a casual pace.

I also swapped from the original riser bar to a flat (well, imperceptibly arced) bar swiped from my '93 Univega MTB. Helped a lot. It added a bit of reach so I could lean forward a little. Helped on climbs by putting the hip adductors into a more efficient position, without sacrificing casual comfort. That older Globe came with a peculiar proprietary quill stem, much larger in diameter than normal, and zero reach -- just a bolted fist-like appendage to clamp the bar. So there's no other practical or cost effective way to extend the reach. Well, other than bullhorn bars, which would put me too far forward and mess with the balance.

Good bikes but they are what they are. I mostly ride my road bikes and a sportier hybrid now. But that comfort bike got me back into shape during my first year back in the saddle in 2015 after a long hiatus from cycling.
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Old 12-24-19, 06:23 PM
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What happened to the one you bought in November?
I put it on layaway in November. Picked it up Saturday.
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Old 12-25-19, 07:45 AM
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I think the idea with that "cup" saddle, as Specialized calls it, is the sit bones rest on the rear "flats" of the saddle, while the nose tilts up about 10 degrees. If you tilt the saddle so that the nose is more horizontal, then the rear "flats" that you sit on would angle forward, which wouldn't be comfortable either. I imagine Specialized did quite a bit of research on this saddle design and it fit a great many people well, but your anatomy must not like it (that, or it's not adjusted quite right). I haven't tried a Roll, but I imagine I wouldn't find the saddle comfortable, either. I do prefer wider sit areas, but I wouldn't like that upward tilt on the nose (I've had similar saddles before).

I would suggest trying a few different saddles to see if you like a different one better. Unfortunately, it's hard to know what you'll like without actually riding a few, which usually means buying a few. Some shops offer saddle try-and-buy programs, but these vary tremendously. One of my local shops doesn't offer that, but they do carry much of the Serfas line, and Serfas offers a no-risk return policy on their saddles, so you can buy one and return it if you don't like it (at least for Serfas saddle credit, if not a full cash refund).
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Old 12-25-19, 09:53 PM
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Ditto, Serfas. Their Tailbones lineup includes saddles with Lycra fabric over progressive density foam. Should be comfortable, including wearing unpadded shorts or jeans. The saddle basically does what padded shorts do for road bikes with firmer saddles.
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Old 12-28-19, 11:12 AM
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Picked up my new Roll on Christmas Eve. I’m 61, first bike in twenty years or more. Ditto on the OP seats review. It starts out friendly but doesn’t stay that way. Have it set nose up, just a bit, like the book says. Seems to be a bit wide at a height for good leg extension with a square edge that hits at the butt and thigh intersection. I end up sitting farther out on the nose or being sore on the sit bones. I’m thinking about a Brooks B67. They are narrower and shouldn’t have the square edge coming off the front side of the wide part. Plus, the springs should help the factory seat post. Just thinking.
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Old 12-28-19, 12:36 PM
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The saddle fit is just fine now. Loving this Roll.
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