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Old 04-19-20, 09:18 AM
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Have I killed my bike?

Complete noob here.

I have gathered a shipload of info about the correct bottom bracket to install and the gear needed to do it, but lack the knowledge to know whether the damage is fixable or whether the frame is likely to be ruined. Is it possible for someone with more experience than I have to make a diagnosis from some photos?

But then again, no. Each time I try to submit the question there's some BS about URLs being disallowed. I'm guessing it meant the photos.

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Old 04-19-20, 09:45 AM
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First, you need 10 posts to add photos. There is a way to add photos to an album on here and then others can post your photos for you. I'd tell you how but I've never done it so best to have someone pop on here and talk you through it. That prevents robots from joining and just filling the site with spam. If you go to introductions and you will see other people who are new just you. Post a hello to them and they will probably post back. Ten posts is quite easy to achieve.


Second, I am confused by what you are asking. Not a mechanic but have worked on many bottom brackets. You say,


"I have gathered a shipload of info about the correct bottom bracket to install and the gear needed to do it, but lack the knowledge to know whether the damage is fixable or whether the frame is likely to be ruined."


As I read the first part it says you have read about the correct BB you'd need for your bike. Then, that you have the gear needed to do it (I presume that means the tools and the parts??). You haven't said if you are simply replacing bearings and grease or if you are following the sealed BB route?


Whether the damage is fixable or whether the frame is likely to be ruined, I am confused by you wording. Damage issues would be separate problems from maintenance. We simply need more detail

Removing a BB is simply the process of unscrewing caps to allow access to allow removal of the axle. there should be no damage to the frame caused by this process. Similarly replacing parts should be straight forward if you show care and don't strip threads.


Because there are several different ways that cranks sets are removed to allow access to the BB, we will need to know more details about your bike.


Post descriptions of you bike as it currently sits before you ex: Raleigh Competition with Shimano 105 cranks and BB has cups and a separate axle or its a Schwinn Varsity with an Ashtabula crank set or it's a god knows what with a sealed BB. even without photos a detailed description goes a long way. Each post you add to this thread counts towards your 10.
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This forum has spam prevention policies such as 10 posts needed before urls and photos can be included in a post. Thank gosh for this! Wish that posters were required to post real names and rough locations too, but that's another topic.

What some do is to use a photo sharing site and then write out it's link with "at" and "dot" as work arounds.

BTW WGB's advice is sound. Andy
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Old 04-20-20, 03:55 AM
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Originally Posted by WGB View Post
First, you need 10 posts to add photos. There is a way to add photos to an album on here and then others can post your photos for you. I'd tell you how but I've never done it so best to have someone pop on here and talk you through it. That prevents robots from joining and just filling the site with spam. If you go to introductions and you will see other people who are new just you. Post a hello to them and they will probably post back. Ten posts is quite easy to achieve.


Second, I am confused by what you are asking. Not a mechanic but have worked on many bottom brackets. You say,


"I have gathered a shipload of info about the correct bottom bracket to install and the gear needed to do it, but lack the knowledge to know whether the damage is fixable or whether the frame is likely to be ruined."


As I read the first part it says you have read about the correct BB you'd need for your bike. Then, that you have the gear needed to do it (I presume that means the tools and the parts??). You haven't said if you are simply replacing bearings and grease or if you are following the sealed BB route?


Whether the damage is fixable or whether the frame is likely to be ruined, I am confused by you wording. Damage issues would be separate problems from maintenance. We simply need more detail

Removing a BB is simply the process of unscrewing caps to allow access to allow removal of the axle. there should be no damage to the frame caused by this process. Similarly replacing parts should be straight forward if you show care and don't strip threads.


Because there are several different ways that cranks sets are removed to allow access to the BB, we will need to know more details about your bike.


Post descriptions of you bike as it currently sits before you ex: Raleigh Competition with Shimano 105 cranks and BB has cups and a separate axle or its a Schwinn Varsity with an Ashtabula crank set or it's a god knows what with a sealed BB. even without photos a detailed description goes a long way. Each post you add to this thread counts towards your 10.
That's OK. The pictures, I felt at the time, would have told more of a story, and I think (in my nooby perception) they did, in the other forum that did allow photos on an early post.

I admit that, having tried to post several times and getting the confusing refusal message, I felt disinclined to edit the text of the message. This is what has led to your confusion, based as it is on your pre-knowledge and therefore absolute expectations around the sort of substance the text should be comprised of.

However...it was the photos I wanted specifically to share, sort of like describing a garment and physical proportions as opposed to just presenting said garment/body visually and getting the reply on perceived midriff overexpansion/arse size/manboobage.. I just hoped for a rough 'likelihood of total destruction' perception based on the pics.

Just wish I had a clued-in neighbour to show it to. A quick glance, a coarse-grained reply, with detailed questions to follow depending on reply. I hope you see what I mean. It's how truly noobful I am. A lot of reading just doesn't yield the same degree of confidence that ad hoc human interaction in the real world can. Pics a hoped for early indicator as to way forward.

Thank you for your response though.

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Old 04-20-20, 03:56 AM
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Thank you. If I ever return I will try that.
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This forum has spam prevention policies such as 10 posts needed before urls and photos can be included in a post. Thank gosh for this! Wish that posters were required to post real names and rough locations too, but that's another topic.

What some do is to use a photo sharing site and then write out it's link with "at" and "dot" as work arounds.

BTW WGB's advice is sound. Andy
Thank you. I could easily have done that had I known. Have at times elsewhere, where direct image upload not poss regardless of bot protection. I think real names and locations are an intrusive demand. I respect very much The People's right to privacy online.

I have to be upfront and say that the 10 post minimum is a bit of an onerous thing when a nooby, non-invested-on-a-long-term-basis person just needs to throw avatar on mercy of a community in hopes of quick answer in order to start formulating a notion of how to get mobile again in less than a year. If I develop a keen interest in marrying a forum and living in communal harmony with it, I will turn up, be present, offer my 10 posts that it is hoped would in quantity not be less worthy than a quality-based metric might have allowed (no guarantees there though- this is 'complete noob' speaking), and earnestly signal my good intentions.

It is not out of the question, but for the moment the other forum came across. And for the moment, by not demanding my loyalty, it has won it. This one and its 'hard to get' policy wore straight through my patience in that fatigued (and, if i remember rightly, late night) moment.

I just need to fix my bike and get on the road again. Head up hill for supplies. Amble along nearby trail in the fresh air for a constitutional. Not build specialist $40,000 machine, wriggle into serious lycra and shoes that preclude ambulation on land, and PowerCycle.

PS I am in fact a robot, so the forum had a narrow escape. That must be why the bike has broken. 200kg of solid tin and wires and battery acid churning up that bush embankment.

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Old 04-20-20, 07:51 AM
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I didn't know this was a competition. I am a tad confused by your claim to be a noob yet also having experienced this spam protection policy before...Oh well. We'll still be here in the future to help if you feel the motivation to join in our community.

Two closing points. One is that if you think sharing your name and rough location is too intrusive just wait for the planned C-19 tracking. Having grown up in the cold war and when 1984 was a book about the scary future I'm glad I have no data plan for my dumb flip phone. Two- For a robot you express yourself pretty well. Perhaps the person who programed you should be the one posting. Andy
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I didn't know this was a competition. I am a tad confused by your claim to be a noob yet also having experienced this spam protection policy before...Oh well. We'll still be here in the future to help if you feel the motivation to join in our community.

Two closing points. One is that if you think sharing your name and rough location is too intrusive just wait for the planned C-19 tracking. Having grown up in the cold war and when 1984 was a book about the scary future I'm glad I have no data plan for my dumb flip phone. Two- For a robot you express yourself pretty well. Perhaps the person who programed you should be the one posting. Andy
"Competition"? Me neither. Inexperienced in bike stuff. The fora I mentioned didn't have these intense anti spam barriers. 10 posts for a pic . They have image posting via image hosting. That's the experience I had of that.

Ha ha programmer. Re: 1984 sounds like we're similar vintage, similar readings. I'm not anti corona apps if open source, decentralised, anonymous. What bothers me is the architecture at the other end, at Gooappgle and open-ended legislation that might allow abuse (though way too late: we gave up our civil rights nearly 20 years ago for 'protection'). How open would that be...

There's a crate of spam cans even now, bespoiling that embankmant I, Robot, wrecked the bike on.

Slicken zee shiny gear slipsteam speedy safely exclusively be thee.
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In all the words you've written, you'd think you would describe what the issue is with your bike. If you aren't able to do that in words, then how will you understand those responses that don't supply a video?

Many other newbies are able to figure out that they can post the pic or vid to a hosting site and then obfuscate the link in their post.

Your activism isn't going to change the site's policy.
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...Wish that posters were required to post real names and rough locations too...
Real names is an issue for some, but I agree on locations. Would help understand where people are, what resources they have etc.
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In all the words you've written, you'd think you would describe what the issue is with your bike. If you aren't able to do that in words, then how will you understand those responses that don't supply a video?

Many other newbies are able to figure out that they can post the pic or vid to a hosting site and then obfuscate the link in their post.

Your activism isn't going to change the site's policy.
No activism. Really not that fussed. Momentarily irritated what feels like a while ago now. Worry not. This doesn't have to end badly. Tried to explain why pics a good first step. You don't relate: np. Obfuscation nah I was not into getting to know the site so intimately just then. Just a bt of the old in out. It wanted to tie me down.

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Real names is an issue for some, but I agree on locations. Would help understand where people are, what resources they have etc.
Defnally a benefit to location.

Voluntary preferred.

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Thank you for your courtesy and for taking the time to respond, BF Netizens.

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Well two more posts and you'll be able to load your pics. If the BF gods haven't taken a dislike to you.... <grin>
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Well two more posts and you'll be able to load your pics. If the BF gods haven't taken a dislike to you.... <grin>
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I think you're there. Post a pic!
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Man, you've spent 9 posts and countless words attempting to get help for a problem that you have yet to describe. Will it all become clear on your next post?
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Or has Elvis left the building?
Yep, for now Hints as to that: above posts.
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Man, you've spent 9 posts and countless words attempting to get help for a problem that you have yet to describe. Will it all become clear on your next post?
Have a read back again, since you're interested



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I think you're there. Post a pic!
Actually I'd gone to bed
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So, yeah, I agree the pic policy is sometimes annoying for new forum members.

Anyhow, I/we'd be happy to give our advise if you want to post pictures or written details about your bike.

Without further knowledge, if your BB shell is damaged and is threaded, a tap set may fix the problem if it's merely cross threaded, but it does need some metal to hook into. If a threaded shell is significantly damaged probably the best solution is to run something like https://velo-orange.com/products/gra...ottom-brackets with a square taper bottom bracket. For press fit shells, sometimes issues of poor tolerance or slightly wallowed shells can be addressed either by using a press fit retaining compound, or using a thread-together bottom bracket, like https://wheelsmfg.com/bottom-bracket...-bb-black.html .

Any sort of crack to a steel shell can only be properly repaired by replacing the BB shell, with aluminum the bike is gone. For carbon some CF repair companies like Calfee or Ruckus may take on a repair by laying in new carbon.
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So, yeah, I agree the pic policy is sometimes annoying for new forum members.
But newbie trolls are incredibly more annoying to all forum members.
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Did he kill his bike? Is a bike alive? Does a bike have a soul? Is it a crime to kill a bike? Do bikes have human rights?
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