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Old 05-22-20, 10:17 PM
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Bearings on 27" wheel

I'm restoring a '79 Dawes Echelon racer, and just repacked the bearings on the front wheel. I noticed it only had 9 bearings per side, and looked like it could hold 12 at least. Is there a reason for only 9, and could I put more bearings in?
I'm slowing learning how to work on bikes, but sometimes the reason for the way it's put together eludes me.... I think the bearings are the little 3/16ths... should there be more than 9 per side?
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9 is pretty standard. It just is.
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You need to have some space for them to move around, usually about 2 less than whatever can be held.
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Bearing counts in C&V :

10 balls per side front wheel
11 balls per side crank
9 balls per side rear wheel.

This refers to loose ball design, not retainer styles.

There are exceptions, but not many.

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If the hubs are pure french....there's a slight possibility they might be 13 balls rear (Maillard Helicomatic), much smaller (3/16 or 5/32) than the ball bearings we see for the typically 10 front and 9 rear.

Again, slight possiblility.

Put enough bearing of the right size in, such that when grouped up, there's still a 2-3mm gap on the non-grouped side. Do a cone test, see how high the bearings ride. Somewhere in the middle to 2/3 up is good.

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Originally Posted by johnspack View Post
I'm restoring a '79 Dawes Echelon racer, and just repacked the bearings on the front wheel. I noticed it only had 9 bearings per side, and looked like it could hold 12 at least. Is there a reason for only 9, and could I put more bearings in?
I'm slowing learning how to work on bikes, but sometimes the reason for the way it's put together eludes me.... I think the bearings are the little 3/16ths... should there be more than 9 per side?
If you don't have a caliper to measure your bearings, line them up along a ruler.
If 3/16"-
16 = 3".
8 = 1-1/2".......

I have ran into Huffy's with 9 1/4" balls/side in the front.
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Thanks for all the input guys. Feeling kinda dumb right now. Decided to search the floor area where I had worked on my wheel. Found 2 bearings. Measured them, 1/4". So the answer for front late 70s Mavic rims is 10, 10 bearings per side!
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I was going to say that if you were able to get 12 bearings into the hub, it would mean that the bearings were the wrong size.

I used to have a Park ruler that measured spoke lengths, cotter pin sizes and ball bearing sizes. Now if I need to check a ball bearing size I use my drill bit sizing guide. Those are available at nearly every hardware store.

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Thanks for all the input guys. Feeling kinda dumb right now. Decided to search the floor area where I had worked on my wheel. Found 2 bearings. Measured them, 1/4". So the answer for front late 70s Mavic rims is 10, 10 bearings per side!
Rims are moot.
It's the hubs that matter.
Never seen a hub that took 10 1/4"balls/side.
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Read my caliper wrong. Pretty sure they are 3/16". It's a Shimano hub.
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