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mbusky 07-31-20 11:28 AM

Threaded BB Bearings gone after 2k miles
 
Anyone else ever need new BB external bearing cup replacement after 2k of dry road miles? This seams to me like a manufacturing defect and not a wear issue because I have never had to replace one or am I talking out my butt.

REI CO-OP AD1.1 just 12 weeks old

davidad 07-31-20 11:39 AM

They should replace it. 2K miles is no where long enough life for that BB.

fietsbob 07-31-20 11:51 AM

Because they are external the crud you rode through, over those many miles, will contaminate the bearings sooner..

Does your bike have full mudguards with a long front low mudguard flap to reduce the wheel spray?

mbusky 07-31-20 11:58 AM

Yes to fenders and flaps
 

Originally Posted by fietsbob (Post 21617091)
Because they are external the crud you rode through, over those many miles, will contaminate the bearings sooner..

Does your bike have full mudguards with a long front low mudguard flap to reduce the wheel spray?


The bike has only seen a single 20 min shower in those 2k mikes, I hand wash and dry no power washer, it's been dry here for a while looking forward to real soak this Sunday.

mbusky 07-31-20 11:58 AM


Originally Posted by davidad (Post 21617075)
They should replace it. 2K miles is no where long enough life for that BB.

I like the way you think

DrIsotope 07-31-20 12:03 PM

What symptoms lead you to believe the bearings are bad?

squirtdad 07-31-20 12:08 PM

2k for external shimano octalink bearings is way to soon...... not sure if this could happen if the pre-load is too high bike looks nicely specced https://www.rei.com/product/122462/c...kaAuzoEALw_wcB

fietsbob 07-31-20 12:14 PM

Ok, now that you voiced your complaint what are you going to do ?

Did you ask REI Customer/member services yet?

mbusky 07-31-20 12:18 PM


Originally Posted by DrIsotope (Post 21617109)
What symptoms lead you to believe the bearings are bad?

It started with a creek when L pedal was at 7 O'clock when under load on every rotation if no pressure applied to R then no noise or if very light pressure applied, flats and genital downhills or if only pedaling with L foot clipless then nothing. Every item was removed and cleaned greased replaced or outright swapped out, pedals, saddle, thudbuster, cranks, cages, fenders etc. If you hand load the R and then press the L you get the creek without even rotation just standing there. All torque settings were in line with specs. And with added miles it got louder and longer in duration.

shelbyfv 07-31-20 12:18 PM

If your bike is like the one in the link it's not an external bearing, rather the older cartridge type Octalink. It would be unusual for one to die in 2000 miles. Suggest you have REI look at it and keep an open mind. Something else may be going on.:foo:

shelbyfv 07-31-20 12:22 PM


Originally Posted by mbusky (Post 21617132)
flats and genital downhills

Sounds like interesting terrain!:thumb:

fietsbob 07-31-20 12:23 PM

Blind guessing
 
https://www.rei.com/product/122462/c...es-adv-11-bike

to my reading they say an Octalink* , which is not what they fit. see : "specifications subject to change without notice"

frame not having a perfect machined/ aligned BB shell ? so bearing cartridges went in 'cattywampus' ..




..:foo:

mbusky 07-31-20 12:24 PM


Originally Posted by fietsbob (Post 21617124)
Ok, now that you voiced your complaint what are you going to do ?

Did you ask REI Customer/member services yet?


Dropped it off there yesterday Don't know how fast they can get to it. Fingers crossed This was not meant as a complaint just a question about BB failure.

fietsbob 07-31-20 12:26 PM

Many possibilities . 20 questions is done a lot here..

I personally have only internal bearing Style Cranks...

all square taper but for 1 with Octalink splined BB/ arm interface




..

shelbyfv 07-31-20 12:34 PM


Originally Posted by fietsbob (Post 21617151)
Many possibilities . 20 questions is done a lot here..

I personally have only internal bearing Style Cranks...

all square taper but for 1 with Octalink splined BB/ arm interface




..

Highly relevant, as usual.:thumb:

fietsbob 07-31-20 12:40 PM

you a clairvoyant expert? did you solve it? No.

tyrion 07-31-20 12:43 PM


Originally Posted by mbusky (Post 21617050)
Anyone else ever need new BB external bearing cup replacement after 2k of dry road miles? This seams to me like a manufacturing defect and not a wear issue because I have never had to replace one or am I talking out my butt.

REI CO-OP AD1.1 just 12 weeks old

REI fully guarantees their bikes for one year, I believe. You should have no problem, if you're able to bring it back to them.

Koyote 07-31-20 12:54 PM


Originally Posted by tyrion (Post 21617195)
REI fully guarantees their bikes for one year, I believe. You should have no problem, if you're able to bring it back to them.

Yep. And I agree with shelbyfv that it is probably something else.

79pmooney 07-31-20 12:56 PM

Is the only issue with the bearings the creak? I wouldn't call that "gone". To me, "gone" means the bearings are shot, perhaps accompanied by a grinding sound. Creaks can be the devil to find and silence but many bottom brackets have lasted 10s of thousands of miles after creaks started.

I haven't used an external BB yet, but I hear they can have very hard to chase down creaks.

Ben

tyrion 07-31-20 01:14 PM


Originally Posted by shelbyfv (Post 21617133)
If your bike is like the one in the link it's not an external bearing, rather the older cartridge type Octalink. It would be unusual for one to die in 2000 miles. Suggest you have REI look at it and keep an open mind. Something else may be going on.:foo:

I'm pretty sure the "Octalink" spec on the REI webpage is an error. It's Hollowtech II.

GAtkins 07-31-20 01:21 PM


Originally Posted by shelbyfv (Post 21617142)
Sounds like interesting terrain!:thumb:

I was gonna post this because I couldn't resist. Glad you got to it first:))

shelbyfv 07-31-20 01:22 PM

Yep, grab that low hanging fruit....

GAtkins 07-31-20 01:25 PM


Originally Posted by shelbyfv (Post 21617255)
Yep, grab that low hanging fruit....

That is definitely some low hanging "fruit"...I'm glad it's Friday...if it doesn't rain, even better...

Glenn

mbusky 07-31-20 03:54 PM

Case closed bearing replaced no charge. Manufacturer defect in installation of BB. The BB is a Shimano Hollowtech II MTB BB not the spec Octo that they have on line. Thank you for the responces and the humor due to auto spell check and my lack of proofreading. Enjoy the weekend!

alcjphil 07-31-20 08:55 PM


Originally Posted by squirtdad (Post 21617114)
2k for external shimano octalink bearings is way to soon...... not sure if this could happen if the pre-load is too high bike looks nicely

As far as I know, Octalink bottom brackets do not have external cups. Must be an error on that spec sheet


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