_ForceD_

Concur. And I sympathize with the OP for getting stranded at the side of the road. But this situation just reinforces my belief that some of the advances of bicycle components in the past 20 or so years just aren’t meant for use by some of us mere mortal bicyclists. Tubeless tires is one of those things. I can understand the advantages of them for racing bikes, supported by a crew of mechanics, and a huge pot of money provided to the teams by sponsors. But in our ‘hands’...we get stranded at the side of the road. Disc brakes is another one of those items, but no need to hijack the thread.


Dan

CargoDane

Disc brakes leaves you stranded?

Nvm, that should be in another thread.

Ryan_M

Yeah could be. I've read the pro's and cons and hnoestly I'm still on the fence about it. Both systems have aspects I like though I'm probably about 60% leaning towards tubeless.

As it stands right now I would call it trash. The best I can do know is plug it and hope it holds while im out for a ride. If I could patch the tire from the inside I'd have a lot more confidence but I can't do that. Yes the sealant didn't do it's thing though it was a small hole. It was still liquid but likely past it's life expectancy it seems.

I don't understand how trying to get a tube in this tire so I can ride until new tires arrive is being overly obsessed with frugality? I don't want to plug it because that doesn't give me the last resort fix of putting a tube in it to get me home should another flat occur.

Yep that's my plan. I'm going to replace the "good" one too.

Crankycrank

Sounds like the best plan to me. Hell, it might even work well enough you could ride it until the tread wears out.

Iride01 

No, in that respect it's not being overly frugal. I've done many things that get tossed about here on BF as, for lack of a better word, stupid. But when desperate to ride, then stupid sometimes makes sense.

I'm still using one of the stupid things I've done 4500+ miles after having done it. I would have changed it sooner, but they told me it wouldn't work even for the couple days I needed to get to a bike shop and get the right part. So I thought of it as "challenge accepted!"

Troul 

this is a misleading tubeless setup. However, this is likely the way of the future (standardization) for the OEM. Money trumps all, & if they can give the buyers that false hope of tubeless, it sweetens the design more.

70sSanO

Looks like Giant has resurrected the old automotive tire plug but without a true tubeless system.

So it you get a small pinhole flat, you cram an auto type plug into the hole to fix it. But if you get a pinch flat you need to use a regular patch on it.

John

grizzly59

I just don't get it. I don't see tubeless or ERT tires as being any kind of improvement over a decent tire and tube. I had a goofy flat today, a 1 1/2" drywall screw went through both sidewalls at about 90 degrees to my line of travel, 25mm 700c. Never seen this before. I carry a spare tube, precut tyvek pieces for tire boots, 2 pedros yellow plastic tire levers, and a mini pump. In 10 minutes I had the tire booted, good tube in, wheel back on, and pumped up plenty hard to finish my ride. What system is better than that?

Trevtassie

Had a thought, you could cut that stupid tube thingo out, grab some Joe's Rim Strips, and after patching the hole, go full tubeless. Joe's are pretty thick, I've got non tubeless to play well tubeless with them. Probably better than going with a tube, unless you can do a really smooth cut of the thingo, otherwise you might get wear holes in the tube from the cut edge.

squirtdad

if you look at the pictures this is wierd hybrid......... there is a no tube to remove and fix and no way to put a tube in. instead there is a strip of tube material with valve glued to the tire. essentialy this is like a tubular tire....all in one. My guess is this is supposed to make it easier to install and not have to deal with seating issues etc.

HerrKaLeun

Thanks for clarifying, it wasn't really clear from OP what actually was going on.

Looks like Giant came up with a new way to cheapen out even more.

jadocs

Wow that is some crap technology. Don't confuse that with an actual tubeless tire. Not sure what Giant was thinking with that. That's more of a glue less tubular tire than a tubeless tire IMO.

LesterOfPuppets

I think it's a way to get some tubeless benefits onto bikes on the salesroom floor. Pretty much 0% of bikes are setup tubeless when they're sold, and you're usually looking at $40-200 parts and labor to setup tubeless. With this setup you get at least a few months worth of worry-free small punctures.

Iride01 

You might be on to something there. When I go to the bike shop, it seems like a lot of the people coming in are getting flats fixed that have no desire to learn how to fix them and even less on how to inflate them.

Perhaps cheap entry level quasi tubeless might help some of them. Even if they go back to the shop, the shop will only have to add a little sealant, pump it up and send them back out to find another puncture.

tkamd73 

Some do, but not very many anymore, bought these Dayton wire wheels in 95, they are tubeless, no flats yet. But still agree with your premise for bicycles, dumb idea.
Tim

CargoDane

Purely because I like them, Kineo wheels are spoked tubeless (for motorcycles). The spokes does not go through the spokes, but leaves a completely airtight rims, not relying on some PU or silicone rim strip to keep things airtight:




https://www.omniaracing.net/en/wheel...-c-10_267.html

Wanderer

The way I read it, that tire has a one year warrantee! Couldn't hurt to contact the dealer, to see if it quaifies!

Darth Lefty 

It's worse than that. They've revived Pope's single-tube tires from the early 20th century, which were kicked out of the market by Schwinns with clinchers. BECAUSE OF EXACTLY THIS.

For what it's worth, Giant's "proprietary" repair kit looks just like all the not-proprietary ones, and there are better options like the Stan's Dart.

squirtdad

[QUOTE=tkamd73;21788474]a warm beer fan i see. Very nice cars






(reference is to the old joke....Why do brits drink warm beer? Because Lucas makes refrigerators also

70sSanO

[QUOTE=squirtdad;21789069]I once owned a ‘67 Lotus Cortina. Super car, but the electrical was a positive ground. I put an 8-Track, dates ownership, in the car and ran the power into the player through the ground.

John

Hank195

[QUOTE=70sSanO;21789129]Blast from the past - I did that too, mounted the 8-track under the seat (electrically isolated). Worked great until the seat sagged a bit, hit a big bump and seat spring shorted out against the top of the player! Since the car only had two fuses it took out much of the electrical system.

70sSanO

[QUOTE=Hank195;21789523]Yeah, I forgot about having isolate the player from the metal dash, where I mounted mine on a quick release so I could lock it in the trunk.

John

squirtdad

[QUOTE=70sSanO;21789129]reminds me of a friends opel in high school, 8 track cost more than the car....we work out the tape with Layla on it

70sSanO

[QUOTE=squirtdad;21790220]Not quite for me. One day my Dad sat me down and had a heart to heart... “You’ve had a lot of fun with that car, but you can’t afford the parts to fix it.”

At the time the only Ford dealer with in stock parts was Villa Ford. To replace just the hemi head casting was $600; I vaguely remember.

Stood in the street and watched it drive away. I had put 30k miles on it and sold it for what I had paid.

Shamefully I bought an AMC Hornet with an automatic. But it reliably took me through the rest of college.

John

djb

[QUOTE=tkamd73;21788474]thats a Spit isnt it in the garage? I see the very odd one around here, and last summer I spotted and chatted with a guy in pristine TR8, hadnt seen one of those in decades and decades. Grew up across the street from a British car garage, so being a car nut, got to see and know all about you name it, TR2s, 3s, XK120, 140, bugeyed sprites, etc etc etc. Ran by a friendly British guy.