Go Back  Bike Forums > Bike Forums > Bicycle Mechanics
Reload this Page >

What kind of nipples should I get?

Notices
Bicycle Mechanics Broken bottom bracket? Tacoed wheel? If you're having problems with your bicycle, or just need help fixing a flat, drop in here for the latest on bicycle mechanics & bicycle maintenance.

What kind of nipples should I get?

Old 12-10-20, 07:21 PM
  #1  
MyRedTrek
Senior Member
Thread Starter
 
Join Date: Aug 2020
Posts: 81
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 59 Post(s)
Liked 9 Times in 7 Posts
What kind of nipples should I get?

Got 2mm (on the thread end) DT Swiss Alpine III spokes to go on a Sun Rhyno Lite rim with spoke eyelets. Is there a particular kind of nipple I should look for with this kind of rim?

Thanks!
MyRedTrek is offline  
Old 12-10-20, 07:44 PM
  #2  
Troul 
:D
 
Troul's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2013
Location: Mich
Posts: 4,311
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 6 Post(s)
Liked 1,093 Times in 783 Posts
brass seems to be the better option.
giggity
__________________
-Oh Hey!
Troul is offline  
Likes For Troul:
Old 12-10-20, 07:53 PM
  #3  
wgscott
Occam's Rotor
 
Join Date: Jul 2013
Posts: 7,152
Mentioned: 61 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 2366 Post(s)
Liked 2,251 Times in 1,123 Posts
Brass. Always.
wgscott is offline  
Likes For wgscott:
Old 12-10-20, 07:57 PM
  #4  
veganbikes
Clark W. Griswold
 
Join Date: Mar 2014
Location: ,location, location
Posts: 8,814

Bikes: Foundry Chilkoot Ti W/Ultegra Di2, Salsa Timberjack Ti, Cinelli Mash Work RandoCross Fun Time Machine, 1x9 XT Parts Hybrid, Co-Motion Cascadia, Specialized Langster, Phil Wood Apple VeloXS Frame (w/DA 7400), Cilo Road Frame, Proteus frame, Ti 26 MTB

Mentioned: 38 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 2457 Post(s)
Liked 1,486 Times in 992 Posts
Another vote for brass. I like the Sapim SecureLock nipples but the DT Swiss ProLocks would probably also work.
veganbikes is offline  
Likes For veganbikes:
Old 12-10-20, 07:58 PM
  #5  
Russ Roth
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2019
Location: South Shore of Long Island
Posts: 1,765

Bikes: 2010 Carrera Volans, 2015 C-Dale Trail 2sl, 2017 Raleigh Rush Hour, 2017 Blue Proseccio, 1992 Giant Perigee, 80s Gitane Rallye Tandem

Mentioned: 9 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 641 Post(s)
Liked 498 Times in 378 Posts
Those spokes and that rim sounds like it should be a brass nipple build.
Russ Roth is offline  
Likes For Russ Roth:
Old 12-10-20, 08:10 PM
  #6  
dsbrantjr
Senior Member
 
dsbrantjr's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2010
Location: Roswell, GA
Posts: 8,152

Bikes: '93 Trek 750, '92 Schwinn Crisscross, '93 Mongoose Alta

Mentioned: 28 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1371 Post(s)
Liked 905 Times in 630 Posts
Brass 100%
dsbrantjr is offline  
Likes For dsbrantjr:
Old 12-10-20, 08:38 PM
  #7  
Koyote
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2017
Posts: 3,998
Mentioned: 32 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 3856 Post(s)
Liked 5,098 Times in 2,256 Posts
Six posts so far, and nothing salty.


I'm disappointed.
Koyote is offline  
Likes For Koyote:
Old 12-10-20, 09:04 PM
  #8  
Rogerogeroge
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2017
Posts: 263

Bikes: Trek Emonda SLR 9; Moots Routt YBB; Trek Fuel EX8+; LeMond Poprad

Mentioned: 2 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 133 Post(s)
Liked 93 Times in 56 Posts
Alloy. BUT..... only if (1) you are sure that they were built by a quality builder and (2) you are fairly adept yourself at truing wheels and won't do anything stupid if you need to tweak them. But brass is a common sense, practical answer that you can't go wrong with.
Rogerogeroge is offline  
Old 12-10-20, 09:06 PM
  #9  
Rogerogeroge
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2017
Posts: 263

Bikes: Trek Emonda SLR 9; Moots Routt YBB; Trek Fuel EX8+; LeMond Poprad

Mentioned: 2 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 133 Post(s)
Liked 93 Times in 56 Posts
Pierced, with a modest 1 cm hoop attached. Other option is studded.
Rogerogeroge is offline  
Likes For Rogerogeroge:
Old 12-10-20, 09:08 PM
  #10  
wgscott
Occam's Rotor
 
Join Date: Jul 2013
Posts: 7,152
Mentioned: 61 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 2366 Post(s)
Liked 2,251 Times in 1,123 Posts
Originally Posted by Koyote View Post
Six posts so far, and nothing salty.
One of my nipples cracked due to the salty content of the sealant. Aluminium nipples corrode.

Thank you for reminding me to keep everyone abreast of the situation.
wgscott is offline  
Likes For wgscott:
Old 12-10-20, 11:36 PM
  #11  
MyRedTrek
Senior Member
Thread Starter
 
Join Date: Aug 2020
Posts: 81
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 59 Post(s)
Liked 9 Times in 7 Posts
Originally Posted by veganbikes View Post
Another vote for brass. I like the Sapim SecureLock nipples but the DT Swiss ProLocks would probably also work.
Any particular reason you mention the Sapims first rather than the DT Swiss?
MyRedTrek is offline  
Old 12-11-20, 02:10 AM
  #12  
csport
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2015
Location: /dev/null
Posts: 468

Bikes: Soma Double Cross Disc (2018)

Mentioned: 3 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 146 Post(s)
Liked 46 Times in 31 Posts
Have you already bought the spokes? Then some 12mm brass nipples.

For an ultra-paranoid build there are Pillar DSN (double square) nipples, they require a bit longer spokes, but the threads are made so that the spoke goes further in: https://www.pillarspoke.com/external-nipple
This is supposed to reduce nipple breakage.
csport is offline  
Likes For csport:
Old 12-11-20, 03:36 AM
  #13  
MyRedTrek
Senior Member
Thread Starter
 
Join Date: Aug 2020
Posts: 81
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 59 Post(s)
Liked 9 Times in 7 Posts
Originally Posted by csport View Post
Have you already bought the spokes? Then some 12mm brass nipples.
Have the spokes.
MyRedTrek is offline  
Old 12-11-20, 06:12 AM
  #14  
Trevtassie
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2015
Location: Down Under
Posts: 1,927

Bikes: A steel framed 26" off road tourer from a manufacturer who thinks they are cool. Giant Anthem. Trek 720 Multiroad pub bike. 10 kids bikes all under 20". Assorted waifs and unfinished projects.

Mentioned: 11 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1034 Post(s)
Liked 939 Times in 526 Posts
Sapim Polyax seem alright.
But the last set of Rhynolite XL I built with Alpine III I just used standard DT Swiss Nipples, but you could use the brass Pro nipples, they have a similar round head to the Polyax.
Trevtassie is offline  
Old 12-11-20, 08:10 AM
  #15  
Phil_gretz
Journeyman Bike Commuter
 
Phil_gretz's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: Alexandria, VA
Posts: 6,805

Bikes: '79 Peugeot PXN10LE, '88 Fuji Saratoga, '13 Motobecane Fantom29 HT, '16 Motobecane Turino Pro Disc, '16 Motobecane Gran Premio Elite, '18 Velobuild VB-R-022, '21 Tsunami SNM-100

Mentioned: 23 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1361 Post(s)
Liked 1,307 Times in 703 Posts
Do the future owner of the wheel a favor. Skip the aluminum and go straight to brass. He or she will thank you (one day).
Phil_gretz is offline  
Old 12-11-20, 09:39 AM
  #16  
cyccommute 
Mad bike riding scientist
 
cyccommute's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2004
Location: Denver, CO
Posts: 24,276

Bikes: Some silver ones, a red one, an orange one and a few titanium ones

Mentioned: 124 Post(s)
Tagged: 1 Thread(s)
Quoted: 4274 Post(s)
Liked 1,788 Times in 1,086 Posts
My personal favorites are Wheel Fanatyk splined. Lots of colors like aluminum but without the problems that square aluminum can have. Square brass is okay but only if you want silver or black, although black may be more difficult to get.

The other advantage of using splined spoke nipples is that they don’t slip while building. Square spoke wrenches are prone to slippage especially at higher tensions. Since splines nipples have more point of engagement, they are easier to turn at high tension. If you insist on square nipples, in either brass or aluminum, do your self a favor and get a Park SW-42 spoke wrench. It doesn’t have as many engagement points as splined nipples do but they are better then the more open spoke wrenches.
__________________
Stuart Black
Gold Fever Three days of dirt in Colorado
Pokin' around the Poconos A cold ride around Lake Erie
Dinosaurs in Colorado A mountain bike guide to the Purgatory Canyon dinosaur trackway
Solo Without Pie. The search for pie in the Midwest.
Picking the Scablands. Washington and Oregon, 2005. Pie and spiders on the Columbia River!
Days of Wineless Roads. Bed and Breakfasting along the KATY
Twisting Down the Alley. Misadventures in tornado alley.
cyccommute is offline  
Old 12-11-20, 10:03 AM
  #17  
GamblerGORD53
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2010
Location: Elevation 666m Edmonton Canada
Posts: 1,740

Bikes: 2013 Custom SA5w / Rohloff Tourster

Mentioned: 5 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 805 Post(s)
Liked 112 Times in 92 Posts
Get DT Swiss Prolock, which are brass. They don't need any magic goofball prep. And will NEVER unravel, very important.
I have these on all 5 of my DIY builds on my custom heavyweight tour bike and an old CCM, all with Dyad rims.
IMO they soften the stresses. My front wheel is a SA XL-FDD dyno drum with 27,000 miles. Good as new after 2 tours on a 120 lb bike.

Last edited by GamblerGORD53; 12-12-20 at 01:46 AM.
GamblerGORD53 is offline  
Old 12-11-20, 12:07 PM
  #18  
veganbikes
Clark W. Griswold
 
Join Date: Mar 2014
Location: ,location, location
Posts: 8,814

Bikes: Foundry Chilkoot Ti W/Ultegra Di2, Salsa Timberjack Ti, Cinelli Mash Work RandoCross Fun Time Machine, 1x9 XT Parts Hybrid, Co-Motion Cascadia, Specialized Langster, Phil Wood Apple VeloXS Frame (w/DA 7400), Cilo Road Frame, Proteus frame, Ti 26 MTB

Mentioned: 38 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 2457 Post(s)
Liked 1,486 Times in 992 Posts
Originally Posted by MyRedTrek View Post
Any particular reason you mention the Sapims first rather than the DT Swiss?
Because I use Sapim on most of my wheel builds and find to to be a really quality product and one of my favorite wheel builders who actually did my touring bike wheels fully endorses Sapim and those wheels have been flawless.
veganbikes is offline  
Old 12-12-20, 06:41 AM
  #19  
bktourer1
Senior Member
 
bktourer1's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: Western Ma.
Posts: 867

Bikes: Diamondback "parkway" Spec. "expedition

Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 25 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 14 Times in 12 Posts
Rosey & Pink
bktourer1 is offline  
Old 12-12-20, 03:49 PM
  #20  
mrrabbit 
Senior Member
 
mrrabbit's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: San Jose, California
Posts: 3,472

Bikes: 2001 Tommasini Sintesi w/ Campagnolo Daytona 10 Speed

Mentioned: 3 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 123 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 27 Times in 22 Posts
Originally Posted by csport View Post
Have you already bought the spokes? Then some 12mm brass nipples.

For an ultra-paranoid build there are Pillar DSN (double square) nipples, they require a bit longer spokes, but the threads are made so that the spoke goes further in: https://www.pillarspoke.com/external-nipple
This is supposed to reduce nipple breakage.
Not necessary if the spoke ends penetrate the inner wall for about 2mm.

=8-|
__________________
5000+ wheels built since 1984...

Disclaimer:

1. I do not claim to be an expert in bicycle mechanics despite my experience.
2. I like anyone will comment in other areas.
3. I do not own the preexisting concepts of DISH and ERD.
4. I will provide information as I always have to others that I believe will help them protect themselves from unscrupulous mechanics.
5. My all time favorite book is:

Kahane, Howard. Logic and Contemporary Rhetoric: The Use of Reason in Everyday Life
mrrabbit is offline  
Old 12-12-20, 03:50 PM
  #21  
mrrabbit 
Senior Member
 
mrrabbit's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: San Jose, California
Posts: 3,472

Bikes: 2001 Tommasini Sintesi w/ Campagnolo Daytona 10 Speed

Mentioned: 3 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 123 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 27 Times in 22 Posts
Originally Posted by Phil_gretz View Post
Do the future owner of the wheel a favor. Skip the aluminum and go straight to brass. He or she will thank you (one day).
Exactly....alloy nipples seize up, no matter how much anti-seize or grease is used. Let 'em sit long enough in between trues...they'll sieze up.

Stick with brass.

=8-|
__________________
5000+ wheels built since 1984...

Disclaimer:

1. I do not claim to be an expert in bicycle mechanics despite my experience.
2. I like anyone will comment in other areas.
3. I do not own the preexisting concepts of DISH and ERD.
4. I will provide information as I always have to others that I believe will help them protect themselves from unscrupulous mechanics.
5. My all time favorite book is:

Kahane, Howard. Logic and Contemporary Rhetoric: The Use of Reason in Everyday Life
mrrabbit is offline  
Old 12-12-20, 04:03 PM
  #22  
DiabloScott
It's MY mountain
 
DiabloScott's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: Mt.Diablo
Posts: 9,306

Bikes: Klein, Merckx, Trek

Mentioned: 61 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 3018 Post(s)
Liked 1,037 Times in 594 Posts
Originally Posted by mrrabbit View Post
Exactly....alloy nipples seize up, no matter how much anti-seize or grease is used. Let 'em sit long enough in between trues...they'll sieze up.
Aluminum nipples on one nice set of road wheels that never sees rain or snow... that's an acceptable risk.
Otherwise brass.
DiabloScott is offline  
Likes For DiabloScott:
Old 12-12-20, 04:12 PM
  #23  
Skulking
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2020
Posts: 79
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 57 Post(s)
Liked 106 Times in 39 Posts
I'm sorry, but I couldn't help myself.

Skulking is offline  
Likes For Skulking:
Old 12-12-20, 06:39 PM
  #24  
mrrabbit 
Senior Member
 
mrrabbit's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: San Jose, California
Posts: 3,472

Bikes: 2001 Tommasini Sintesi w/ Campagnolo Daytona 10 Speed

Mentioned: 3 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 123 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 27 Times in 22 Posts
Originally Posted by Skulking View Post
I'm sorry, but I couldn't help myself.

Carbon Kevlar nipples?

=8-|
__________________
5000+ wheels built since 1984...

Disclaimer:

1. I do not claim to be an expert in bicycle mechanics despite my experience.
2. I like anyone will comment in other areas.
3. I do not own the preexisting concepts of DISH and ERD.
4. I will provide information as I always have to others that I believe will help them protect themselves from unscrupulous mechanics.
5. My all time favorite book is:

Kahane, Howard. Logic and Contemporary Rhetoric: The Use of Reason in Everyday Life
mrrabbit is offline  
Old 12-13-20, 03:25 AM
  #25  
Trevtassie
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2015
Location: Down Under
Posts: 1,927

Bikes: A steel framed 26" off road tourer from a manufacturer who thinks they are cool. Giant Anthem. Trek 720 Multiroad pub bike. 10 kids bikes all under 20". Assorted waifs and unfinished projects.

Mentioned: 11 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1034 Post(s)
Liked 939 Times in 526 Posts
Originally Posted by mrrabbit View Post
Exactly....alloy nipples seize up, no matter how much anti-seize or grease is used. Let 'em sit long enough in between trues...they'll sieze up.

Stick with brass.

=8-|
And putting aluminium nipples on Alpine III spokes with Rhynolite Rims is kind of like putting alloy rims on a tractor. Yeah, it'll save weight, but what's the point?
Trevtassie is offline  

Thread Tools
Search this Thread

Contact Us - Archive - Advertising - Cookie Policy - Privacy Statement - Terms of Service - Do Not Sell My Personal Information -

Copyright 2021 MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands. All rights reserved. Use of this site indicates your consent to the Terms of Use.