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Old 05-09-21, 09:35 AM
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Bladed spoke cross ties?

I'm repairing a wheel for a friend and the non-drive side rear wheel has this little plastic cross ties at the spoke crossing. They have become brittle with age and a couple have broken.
  1. Are they necessary?
  2. Where might I find replacements?

Plastic spoke cross ties.
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Old 05-09-21, 01:15 PM
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I've never seen these before, they look totally unnecessary, and I've never seen replacements. My guess is they were used to prevent the spoke head from winding up inside the hub during truing.
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Old 05-09-21, 02:33 PM
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Originally Posted by oldbobcat View Post
I've never seen these before, they look totally unnecessary, and I've never seen replacements. My guess is they were used to prevent the spoke head from winding up inside the hub during truing.
I doubt that is their intention. The plastic things are too far from the hub and too flimsy. Much more likely is that these plastic separators are to keep the spokes from making noise where they touch. In time spokes can develop a notch where they cross as I said recently in another thread here like Lincoln Logs' ends. The two spokes will try to ride out of and back into this notching with wheel flex. I've used cut up small squares of credti card stock to test for spoke notching noises on customer bikes to prove this out. Andy.
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The winner is.....Spoke Braces (pro-lite.net)
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Old 05-09-21, 06:49 PM
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Originally Posted by Crankycrank View Post
The winner is.....Spoke Braces (pro-lite.net)
Thanks for the ling and fuller story, but... I just can't see the snap on bits showing light through their fit to the spokes will do more then pad the pockets of the seller (excepting the spoke on spoke noise that might happen in time w/o them.) They're pretty far from tied and soldered crossings (that if the correct spoke material and solder are paired are actual structural additions). And even with the decades of T&S spokes the jury is still debating. Andy
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Originally Posted by Crankycrank View Post
The winner is.....Spoke Braces (pro-lite.net)
Now I've seen it all. But give these folks credit for selling spares
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Old 05-10-21, 12:12 PM
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Gotta love the bike business for high grade BS.
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"With an aerodynamic design..."

Heh.
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Originally Posted by Crankycrank View Post
The winner is.....Spoke Braces (pro-lite.net)
Well done.

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"With an aerodynamic design..."

Heh.
"Does rotating weight aero really matter?"
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Old 05-11-21, 06:59 PM
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And I was hoping it had something to do with baseball cards.

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Old 05-12-21, 04:31 PM
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I did the opposite of cross tie - I have zipp 404s that creaked, turned out to be spoke rubbing (super slight) on the rear wheel - one of the spokes was slightly twisted somehow. Twisted back + putting some oil to "smooth" any possible rubbing action.
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Old 05-13-21, 06:47 AM
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My tied and soldered wheels had an annoying tick I could never get rid of. I removed the ties and they're dead quiet now.
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