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Old 05-10-21, 05:10 PM
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Trying to ID tool for 3 hole headset ring

I know we've had previous threads where people have had these headsets and wanted to remove them.

The headsets have 3 equally distant notches. I always thought this style was Japanese.

This specific one was made by Favorit in Czechoslovakia BITD and is either a "Favorit" or a "Favorit Special". I'm sure the one I'm dealing with will be a "Favorit" simply because the "Favorit" takes 5/32 bearings and the "Favorit Special" of 3/16 bearings n I'm running low on 5/32nd.

Favorit


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Favorit Special




In the one mounted here, the headset exterior is in rough shape. I'd like to at the every least open it and clean it and replace grease and bearings. Hopefully I'll be able to reuse the old headset as finding them here is hard. In the Covid world I can't just pop in to the Co-op (if I could I'd immediately junk it and replace with a better model).




I want to know what is the correct tool for these lock rings as I'm sure I'll encounter one of these again. I have several tools that simply do not work here. I've tried. I believe that one issue is that the lockring is seized and or rusted. I've tried using a flat screwdriver but didn't hammer it as concerned that corners of the lock ring notches might just snap off, I will try that method as a last resort. This one may take heat. Right now I've added penetrant and will wait until morning.




For further clairfication the lock ring I am talking about will be the one in the bottom row center. It appears to be the same lock ring on both headsets.




PS: This is not my bike! I would never let anything get this rough but it is what it is.
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Old 05-10-21, 05:26 PM
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I have the Hozan like you have. It has been my tool of choice for the most stubborn, but the nature of any lock ring wrench makes it difficult to put significant force on while staying aligned.

Have you let it bathe for a few days in penetrant oil?
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I just started today. I added PB Blaster about 2pm. I'll leave overnight, try again and then add more Blaster and repeat.

I forgot to say that people seem to swear by some AR-15 tool but we don't see those in Canada.
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Beer faucet spanner
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Beer faucet spanner??

I've heard of someone using similar but unsure of model. Any specific suggestions?? and source to find one??
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This kind of headset were common in Europe, I had Raleighs with them and many of my Polish Romets have them too - and they are also found on the BB.

When the tool does not fit well or they are really tight then it is time for my heavy, short handled hammer and a pin punch. Unless your screwdriver is of the type where the steel shaft passes all the way through the plastic handle then the handle will absorb some of the sharp, peak force you are trying to achieve to get the headset nut turning. Pin punches or, if you can get any, a piece of solid brass rod, a firm grip and some sharp smacks with the hammer usually gets things moving. You might have to chase the things around for a few turns if there is significant corrosion on the threads. Just be prepared to hit harder than one wishes if less force does not work.
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Instead of the Hozan lockring tool, I like to use the Hozan lockring pliers for that type of headset.

https://www.hozan.co.jp/cycle_e/catalog/BB/C-203.html
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Beer faucet spanner??

I've heard of someone using similar but unsure of model. Any specific suggestions?? and source to find one??
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Any beer brewing supply source should have one.
modify if or as needed.

​​​​​​https://www.micromatic.com/faucet-wr...wrench-4350-hd
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Originally Posted by aggiegrads View Post
I have the Hozan like you have. It has been my tool of choice for the most stubborn, but the nature of any lock ring wrench makes it difficult to put significant force on while staying aligned.
That's true for hook spanners, anyway. Lockrings with an even number of notches allow use of a lockring pliers, which offers a much more secure grip on the ring. I consider three-notch lockrings to be a design deficiency.
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For now, I visited a framebuilder who allowed me to sponge, once again. He had a modified Hozan wrench thar worked beautifully. Unfortunately the lock spacer is tight to the adjustable cup so soaking the join between the cup and the spacer with more Blaster for now. Based on these issues I'd guess the headset will be toast but it still has to get removed.

I will buy one if these beer tools as they look to be cheap. The Hozan pliers look like a buy as well...

Thank you all.
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There is also this option. DIY Lockring Pliers : 3 Steps (with Pictures) - Instructables YouTube has some videos as well.
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While a pipe wrench is not the correct tool for a headset . two of them will make quick work of this, one on the lock ring and one on the adjestable cone. wrap a big rubber band around the pieces to keep from maring them up
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Originally Posted by WGB View Post
The Hozan pliers look like a buy as well...
You can make your own from a set of slip-jaw pliers for a fraction of the cost of the Hozan or VAR pliers:


https://www.instructables.com/DIY-Lockring-Pliers/
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While a pipe wrench is not the correct tool for a headset . two of them will make quick work of this, one on the lock ring and one on the adjestable cone. wrap a big rubber band around the pieces to keep from maring them up
Or a piece of old inner tube and a chain whip.
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