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Old 07-25-21, 07:58 PM
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Tubeless ready rims = Roadside removal impossible?

Honestly just wondering if I ended up going with the wrong wheelset here... Running WTB XC21 rims with Panaracer Paselas 700x35 (wire bead). I really have no plans to ever run tubeless; I really just don't want to deal with the mess. However, I've tried a couple different wire bead tires on these rims and it is an epic PITA to mount and even remove them. Like, so brutal that I've needed to resort to soapy water and freaking channel lock pliers with a rag to mount. Then I need the channel locks again to pop the bead to remove them. They definitely did not get easier after initial installation either.

I've got like 6 other bikes floating around the garage, 700c, 27", 26"... None of the other wheelset/tire combinations ever gave me this much grief. One of the other 700c rides (not tubeless compatible) I can easily remove and remount the tires by hand, no tools at all.

Is this just the nature of the beast with tubeless ready rims? If so, it seems pointless to even carry tubes, patches and CO2. The moment I get a puncture I might as well call the wife to play sag wagon... Or design a custom channel lock plier mount for the bottle cage bosses.
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Old 07-25-21, 08:15 PM
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It's certainly been widely reported that tubeless ready rims have made mounting and removing tires more difficult. That's been my experience as well. Some folks say they can't even get the bead to break free from the rim. However, lots of people don't have issues. I think the best solution is to try a variety of tires until you find an acceptable combo.
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on new tires my new wheel set was hard but a tire I removed from the old wheel set was pretty normal they were the same tires.
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Make sure you are cognizant of the center channel.

Practice at home with the tools you take on the road, and make sure you have your tool kit with you.

Some people run tubeless sealant in the tubes, and it might make the difference of being able to limp home.
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Originally Posted by Synack42 View Post
Is this just the nature of the beast with tubeless ready rims?
Sort of. They're usually harder to mount than tubed and some are really hard to mount but technique really makes a difference. As mentioned, keep the beads in the center part of the rim while you're prying the rest of the bead on. There is a trick that some people use which is using zip ties or string or thin strips of duct tape, etc., to tie around the tire pulling just tight enough to hold the beads together. Usually works amazingly well and you may not even need tire levers. I first used this on tubeless motorcycle tires which are about 10 times more difficult than bike tires and couldn't believe how easy it was to mount them without tire irons. For bike tires consider using 8 - 10 ties to keep the beads together. Easy to carry in a seat pack too and don't forget to carry something to cut the ties with when the tire is mounted.
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Originally Posted by Crankycrank View Post
Sort of. They're usually harder to mount than tubed and some are really hard to mount but technique really makes a difference. As mentioned, keep the beads in the center part of the rim while you're prying the rest of the bead on. There is a trick that some people use which is using zip ties or string or thin strips of duct tape, etc., to tie around the tire pulling just tight enough to hold the beads together. Usually works amazingly well and you may not even need tire levers. I first used this on tubeless motorcycle tires which are about 10 times more difficult than bike tires and couldn't believe how easy it was to mount them without tire irons. For bike tires consider using 8 - 10 ties to keep the beads together. Easy to carry in a seat pack too and don't forget to carry something to cut the ties with when the tire is mounted.
No need for a cutting tool; you can just use reusable zip ties.
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Is running a wired tire part of the issue? IIRC wired were designed for older style rims (I got paselas wire for my 78 Semi pro)

Personally I don't plan on going tubeless, and as long as they are available would get non tubeless ready rims, just because of all the issues there seem to be (remembering that on this forum we see the problem...not the no-problems)
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Recently, when I encountered great difficulty in mounting a new tire by hand I left the incomplete mounted tire with the rim in direct hot sunlight for a couple of ours, and I was able to mount the tire by hand. This seems to make quite a difference. Since then I have tried this technique a couple of times, and it works.
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When you get a flat at night in the rain, just wait for tomorrow's midday sun to heat the tire up. It will pop right off.
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Originally Posted by Synack42 View Post
Honestly just wondering if I ended up going with the wrong wheelset here... Running WTB XC21 rims with Panaracer Paselas 700x35 (wire bead). I really have no plans to ever run tubeless; I really just don't want to deal with the mess. However, I've tried a couple different wire bead tires on these rims and it is an epic PITA to mount and even remove them. Like, so brutal that I've needed to resort to soapy water and freaking channel lock pliers with a rag to mount. Then I need the channel locks again to pop the bead to remove them. They definitely did not get easier after initial installation either.

I've got like 6 other bikes floating around the garage, 700c, 27", 26"... None of the other wheelset/tire combinations ever gave me this much grief. One of the other 700c rides (not tubeless compatible) I can easily remove and remount the tires by hand, no tools at all.

Is this just the nature of the beast with tubeless ready rims? If so, it seems pointless to even carry tubes, patches and CO2. The moment I get a puncture I might as well call the wife to play sag wagon... Or design a custom channel lock plier mount for the bottle cage bosses.
What rim tape are you using? Hopefully not Velox.
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Old 07-30-21, 06:46 AM
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I’ve found TL rims mount easy and the thin TL tape helps. Technique is extra important on TL as the shoulders are wide and center narrow. Make sure all air is out of the tube if using one. Hold the tire (not rim) up at the top and pinch beads into the channel, starting at the bottom. Work your way up each side 1-2X. The weight of the wheel will keep the beads in the center channel as long as you let it hang by the tire.

TL is not necessarily messy or difficult. For low psi tires and TL rims it has benefits. I’ve never had a problem with any Pasela and I’ve changed a lot of them, both wire and Kevlar bead. Wish they made them in tubeless as they're a favorite of mine.
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Old 07-30-21, 11:17 AM
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Originally Posted by Synack42 View Post
I really have no plans to ever run tubeless; I really just don't want to deal with the mess.
The "mess" issue is pretty nonexistent, IME, but If you're never going to go tubeless, ditch the tubeless set-up. That said, I think if you tried it, you'd like it. I'm tubeless on one bike, and while I haven't converted the others (yet), I'd never go back to tubes on the one.
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Originally Posted by Rolla View Post
The "mess" issue is pretty nonexistent, IME, but If you're never going to go tubeless, ditch the tubeless set-up. That said, I think if you tried it, you'd like it. I'm tubeless on one bike, and while I haven't converted the others (yet), I'd never go back to tubes on the one.
This. The “mess” concern generally comes from people who have no experience with tubeless.
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