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spokes are spinning when truing wheel after spoke repacement

Old 08-08-21, 04:16 PM
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spokes are spinning when truing wheel after spoke repacement

Me again.

different wheel. different problem.

I had to replace two spokes on this Easton wheel a few years ago (green .tape)
then I just put it aside and forgot about it.
this week I pulled it out and realized that it was still WAY out of true.
but when I tighten the nipples, the spokes spin so I am not getting any additional / needed tension.
these are straight spokes. the orignals were butted but as I could not at the time find butted spokes, I used straight gauge spokes. I don't think that should be a problem.

I would have thought this was a common problem but I cannot find anyone else's write up or solution.

initially I thought it was just the two new spokes - maybe their heads did not fit the slot in the hub correctly. But when I put a piece of (blue) tape on the butted spokes I could see that they too were spinning when I adjusted the nipple.

I know that bladed spokes need to be held steady with one hand while the nipple is tightened. But none of these spokes are bladed.

what am I missing here?

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Lube the threads and nipples, and/or hold the spoke with your fingers (rubber gloves might help) or cushioned pliers (squeeze gently).
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Other than the obvious, that the spokes need to be braced while tensioning...

...look across the across the side of the rim where the spokes in question are located.

Are the holes bulging inward?

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Peter- Just hold the spokes with a pliers or such. Some will use a cable 4th hand with the spoke where the cable would go. Andy
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Other than the obvious, that the spokes need to be braced while tensioning...
...look across the across the side of the rim where the spokes in question are located.
Are the holes bulging inward?
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if memory serves, these replacement spokes were never tensioned at all after they were installed.
and the WOW in the wheel is exactly where these two replacement spokes are located. so that makes sense.

but No, I don't see any abnormality in the rim where these spokes are.

and I guess my question is that "how do i brace a round spoke? without damaging it? a bladed spoke, I get how to brace it - hold it with a flat key. but round?
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...and I guess my question is that "how do i brace a round spoke? without damaging it? a bladed spoke, I get how to brace it - hold it with a flat key. but round?
See post #2. "cushioned".
I'd use a pair of vise grips with some aluminum sheet (not foil!) between the jaws and the spoke.
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if memory serves, these replacement spokes were never tensioned at all after they were installed.
and the WOW in the wheel is exactly where these two replacement spokes are located. so that makes sense.

but No, I don't see any abnormality in the rim where these spokes are.

and I guess my question is that "how do i brace a round spoke? without damaging it? a bladed spoke, I get how to brace it - hold it with a flat key. but round?
Lotsa ways....doesn't require much.

1. Heavier gauge spokes, very strong finger pinch can do it.

2. vise grips / pliers with coated or wrapped jaws...but the coating / wrap will wear off - can be clumsy / unwieldly.

3. Those plastic clamps (medium) with the plastic swiveled jaws from the hardware stores. (Faster placement and removal.)

If you use any kinda "glue" as part of the installation - the problem is amplified and the solution has to be more "firm" in its application.

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thank you all. Again!
I am well on track again now.
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Common issue with straight pull spokes. These days, I build at least as many wheels with straight pulls as with J bend, and some way of holding the spoke from rotating is a must.
I use a twist resist tool. Matter of fact, I wore one out I used it so much, so I made a new one.

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