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Old 09-27-21, 08:38 AM
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Originally Posted by cyccommute View Post
If the sound bothers your, either learn to live with it or learn Broadway show tunes and sing them at the top of your lungs while coasting. Quit trying to modify your free hub.
There is nothing one can do, latest bike fashion trends perpetuated by manufacturers are forcing people into desperate measures.



There are literally millions of hubs out there that will meet your needs if you want to build a new wheel. Look for something with fewer teeth on the engagement gear. Or look for older used hubs. Or look at another brand. I have several White Industry hubs that are quite, although older ones are a bit quieter than newer ones. Phil Wood hubs are relatively quiet.
So far only the Hadley seems to have the most pleasant/softest sound.



Well if that is the reason, then learn to live with the noise. On the other hand, you donít need to ďstock upĒ on cartridge bearings. They donít wear out all that often. I have cartridge bearing hubs with tens of thousands of miles on them and I havenít had to replace the bearingsÖever. Iíve only every had to replace three or 4 cartridge bearings in hubs since I got my first cartridge bearing hub in 1984. One of those replacements was on a hub that I purchased for cheap at a bike swap because the seller didnít understand that the bearings can be replaced. Itís still going strong.
The original Chinese ones seemed to be slightly notchy/gritty so I have been said to replace them. Then decided to keep the original ones until they develop play or severe notchiness.



Stronger how? Strength of spring depends more on the material and thickness of the rod use for the coil than length.

And either cutting the springs or installing shorter ones is just a bad idea. You would reduce the amount of the pawl that is engaged on the engagement ring so you are just catching the very edge of the teeth. Youíll either end up breaking teeth or not engaging at all. Again, quit trying to modify your hubs. Itís a really bad idea.
Doesn't pawls get forced more in to the theeth of engagement ring by pedalling. Springs are there to keep the contact with the engagement ring only.



If it is too complicated, then learn to live with what you have. Ignore it or learn show tunes. Oklahoma is a favorite of
Probably will have to learn to live with them since every new upgrade so far had different issues.
There is a reason why people are attracted to platitudes.

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Old 09-27-21, 12:54 PM
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There is nothing one can do, latest bike fashion trends perpetuated by manufacturers are forcing people into desperate measures.
Sing louder.

Itís more than fashion. The more engagement points, the faster the pawls engage and the less lag there is to pedaling. Perhaps 120 teeth is a bit much but there is a reason for more teeth.
So far only the Hadley seems to have the most pleasant/softest sound.
So find some Hadleys. There are some old GT hubs that are Hadleys.

The original Chinese ones seemed to be slightly notchy/gritty so I have been said to replace them. Then decided to keep the original ones until they develop play or severe notchiness.
Thatís still not a reason to keep the hub if you donít like them. Bearings are cheap and last forever.

Doesn't pawls get forced more in to the theeth of engagement ring by pedalling. Springs are there to keep the contact with the engagement ring only.
No, not really. Without the springs, the pawls might move into partially move into place. But the mass of the pawls is very small and close to the center of rotation. They wonít get thrown out far enough without the springs. The springs are there to pop the pawls into the space behind the ramp of the teeth on the engagement ring. If the spring is shorter, it wonít pop in as far and thus not engage in the same way as with the proper spring. Bottom line, the springs have a purpose and itís best not to go modifying the hub without thorough knowledge of their purpose.
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There is nothing one can do, latest bike fashion trends perpetuated by manufacturers are forcing people into desperate measures.
Desperate? Surely this is exaggeration. It just seems you have a part that you don't like and you don't want to get one that you might like.

I too don't like the noise the rear hub on my new bike makes. But the manufacturer hardly forced me to buy the bike. And I have the option to change it out whenever I care to.
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Old 09-27-21, 05:04 PM
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Originally Posted by Iride01 View Post
Desperate? Surely this is exaggeration. It just seems you have a part that you don't like and you don't want to get one that you might like.

I too don't like the noise the rear hub on my new bike makes. But the manufacturer hardly forced me to buy the bike. And I have the option to change it out whenever I care to.
If product description doesn't include the noise it makes then seller and manufacturer is the only left who is responsible. Not every consumer has the time and patience to research millions of products or always learn the hard way since there are loads of other related and unrelated things that need to be sorted out at the same time.
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Originally Posted by sysrq View Post
If product description doesn't include the noise it makes then seller and manufacturer is the only left who is responsible. Not every consumer has the time and patience to research millions of products or always learn the hard way since there are loads of other related and unrelated things that need to be sorted out at the same time.
No, 99.99999999% of the bicycle riders just don't care. Or if they do care they're able to get over it. The vast majority also buy their bikes at a shop and have the chance to listen to it before they buy. If they're buying a wheel chances are they've seen it in person and know what it sounds like.
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Well, if you really ride 3-8 hours a day in the early morning or at night, then your bike is going to wear out relatively quickly, so it is worth figuring out now what hub is going to work for you and then how you are going to get it.

Similarly, if you are going to buy a bicycle to ride for so long, a test ride is something in which it is worth investing some patience and time, rather than later wasting far more than that amount of time on forums expressing dissatisfaction which that test ride may have avoided.

Less waffle, more shuffle.
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Originally Posted by sysrq View Post
If product description doesn't include the noise it makes then seller and manufacturer is the only left who is responsible. Not every consumer has the time and patience to research millions of products or always learn the hard way since there are loads of other related and unrelated things that need to be sorted out at the same time.
If your freehub is in any violation of noise requirements and disclosures required by your government, then you should register a complaint.

However, I think what's in play here is that you, like me have been use to quiet freewheels and freehubs and finally after 50 years of riding bikes got something you don't like. I don't like my noisy freehub. When my hub or wheel is ready for replacement or I decide to get a better wheelset, it'll be on my list to get a quieter freehub.
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If product description doesn't include the noise it makes then seller and manufacturer is the only left who is responsible. Not every consumer has the time and patience to research millions of products or always learn the hard way since there are loads of other related and unrelated things that need to be sorted out at the same time.
some products brag about the noise to quote from chris king web page "All Chris King rear hubs come with that signature, angry-bee sound."
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Old 09-29-21, 12:48 AM
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I would remove all the pawls

1. Even more silent
2. You already know it wonít engage so You wonít ride and wonít have an accident because of it.

Win-win

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Old 09-29-21, 05:08 AM
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No, 99.99999999% of the bicycle riders just don't care. Or if they do care they're able to get over it. The vast majority also buy their bikes at a shop and have the chance to listen to it before they buy. If they're buying a wheel chances are they've seen it in person and know what it sounds like.
Well how could they know if the freehub sounds a lot quieter before factory grease wears down? I could have sent the wheel back but since the bike was necessary for commuting then it was out of the question. And I wasn't sure back then about effects of the noise on mental fatigue/anxiety.
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At this point it's clear you don't want to get a different hub that might better suit you. Go ahead and take out as many pawls as you like, report back on the results.
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some products brag about the noise to quote from chris king web page "All Chris King rear hubs come with that signature, angry-bee sound."
I saw an interview with Chris King where he talked about wanting to design a silent hub and thought a roller clutch was the way to go. He said he was surprised to learn that so many riders actually wanted loud hubs, so that's what he made.
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Well how could they know if the freehub sounds a lot quieter before factory grease wears down? I could have sent the wheel back but since the bike was necessary for commuting then it was out of the question. And I wasn't sure back then about effects of the noise on mental fatigue/anxiety.
OK, I totally get hating a loud hub, but..... anxiety?
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At this point it's clear you don't want to get a different hub that might better suit you. Go ahead and take out as many pawls as you like, report back on the results.
Sounds that way to me too. Seems the OP wants someone to suggest a magic potion or ritual that will solve the problem for them using their existing hub and simply doesn't want to listen to, "What you want isn't possible."

Been my experience that magic potions/rituals/wands/wizard's staffs exist in the worlds of Tolkien and Harry Potter, but not in the real world.
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simple solution, go fixie. Noise "problem" fixed
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simple solution, go fixie. Noise "problem" fixed

I don't know. If I were going down a hill at near 40 mph on a true fixie and clipped in to the pedals, I'd be screaming and making all sorts of noise. <grin>
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My new Domane is very loud. I really don't mind and when I coast on the paths it is as attention getting as a bell. Also it lets all the unwashed masses know that I have a super fancy new bike. I didn't know it was gonna be so oud but wasn't too worked up about it when I noticed it.

My old Trek 2.3 is as silent as a ghost with sore feet.

Also ....three legged stools suck. I had some and the triangle design of the legs made e wobbly AF.
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At this point it's clear you don't want to get a different hub that might better suit you. Go ahead and take out as many pawls as you like, report back on the results.
I'm trying to find one currently. Even Shimano FH-MT401 with microspline only sounds loud and on the harsh side (metallic rattle).
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sour...FcEMM7KsVBL15i

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Honestly, go to a reputable LBS in your area & ask them to recommend a quiet hub. If they are worth there reputation, they should know what to suggest & also provide you with preassembled wheel options, a service to build you what you are after, or use your existing wheel with the recommended hub. It will save you a lot of time potentially & the cost may be within reason, especially when it comes to setting it up for spoke tension with wheel trueness.
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my vote for quiet hub, is shimano ultegra 6800. But at this point I don't think it will matter, this will be problem for the OP no matter what. At this point it is not a technical issue, but personal perception issue.
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simple solution, go fixie. Noise "problem" fixed
Even simpler: keep pedalling!
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my vote for quiet hub, is shimano ultegra 6800.
I have this hub, and can confirm that it is very quiet.
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I'll add that the newer Ultegra and DA hubs are dead simple to adjust. No need for anxiety about fiddling with cone wrenches. Still be interested to see how the one pawl works.
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Honestly, go to a reputable LBS in your area & ask them to recommend a quiet hub. If they are worth there reputation, they should know what to suggest & also provide you with preassembled wheel options, a service to build you what you are after, or use your existing wheel with the recommended hub. It will save you a lot of time potentially & the cost may be within reason, especially when it comes to setting it up for spoke tension with wheel trueness.
Went to the bike shop located in a city centre and they couldn't understand the problem while saying that only expensive hubs have cartridge bearings. The only thing they could offer was overpriced 130mm OLD Shimano wheel, while I was asking for 135mm OLD.
Shame American Classic wheels have been discontinued, those seemed to have fairly pleasant ticking noise.
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