Surly Ogre Under-Geared
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Short-sizing everything and charging full price for it is the new normal these days. Remember when you could get let's say - a 12 ounce can of soda? Now they will slide in the smaller cans on you, and still charge you the same price. Now you get (in some areas) an 11.5 ounce can, and I bet you are paying the same.
Its no different with bike manufacturers. Think of how much they are saving by giving you a 1x. They only have to pay for the 1x crank. They wont have to swallow the cost of a 2x or 3x crank, along with a front derailleur, cables, and shifter. So 1x are all cool and groovy until you figure out that you are paying more and actually getting less.
Its no different with bike manufacturers. Think of how much they are saving by giving you a 1x. They only have to pay for the 1x crank. They wont have to swallow the cost of a 2x or 3x crank, along with a front derailleur, cables, and shifter. So 1x are all cool and groovy until you figure out that you are paying more and actually getting less.
For non technical bicycle buyers like my friend, it's the same thing as with friends in the past who bought bikes for touring, marketed as such, but bikes were too highly geared.
changing out your chain ring will be an easy fix, but it certainly helps to be more knowledgeable about bike gearing.
The ogres are still great bikes, and will retain their value, so keep them in good shape and be careful for theft.
their big plus, like the troll, is being able to easily take wide tires. They make great tough touring bikes.
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With my troll, I set it up specifically for touring heavy in Latin America. where I knew I'd be carrying more crap than ever before, and from traveling there, knowing I'd sometimes be on steep stuff, hence the mountain bike triple.
This is its gearing range. Works great and I can pedal it to a bit over 50kph, which is fine for me.
This is its gearing range. Works great and I can pedal it to a bit over 50kph, which is fine for me.

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Short-sizing everything and charging full price for it is the new normal these days. Remember when you could get let's say - a 12 ounce can of soda? Now they will slide in the smaller cans on you, and still charge you the same price. Now you get (in some areas) an 11.5 ounce can, and I bet you are paying the same.
Its no different with bike manufacturers. Think of how much they are saving by giving you a 1x. They only have to pay for the 1x crank. They wont have to swallow the cost of a 2x or 3x crank, along with a front derailleur, cables, and shifter. So 1x are all cool and groovy until you figure out that you are paying more and actually getting less.
Its no different with bike manufacturers. Think of how much they are saving by giving you a 1x. They only have to pay for the 1x crank. They wont have to swallow the cost of a 2x or 3x crank, along with a front derailleur, cables, and shifter. So 1x are all cool and groovy until you figure out that you are paying more and actually getting less.
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1X is an advantage in off-road riding as it greatly simplifies shifting. Trying to switch a 3x10 from 32-24 to 22-30 all at once at the bottom of a steep hill is a semi-reliable way to drop your chain and end up walking the hill, in my experience, but switching from the 24t cog to the 42t cog on a 1X is pretty easy.
If I were you, OP, I would get a larger chainring for the 1X setup, and see what is the largest 11-ZZ rear cassette you can manage. Then you will get your 38x11 (or whatever) large gear, but not lose the low gear, which may not be often used, but when you need it, you'll need it.
If I were you, OP, I would get a larger chainring for the 1X setup, and see what is the largest 11-ZZ rear cassette you can manage. Then you will get your 38x11 (or whatever) large gear, but not lose the low gear, which may not be often used, but when you need it, you'll need it.
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Higgins, down the road and if you do bike mechanic stuff, you can keep an eye out for a mtb double setup used, but in the end the bikes are what they are, and you have the responsibility of buying them.. I hope the chain ring change makes it better for you.
There are other hybridy type bikes out there with multi cranksets if you aren't happy with doing changes, but the really wide tire thing is probably less common.
There are other hybridy type bikes out there with multi cranksets if you aren't happy with doing changes, but the really wide tire thing is probably less common.
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Two years later, Shimano offers a single-ring 36T and 38T Zee cranksets, and a 11-51T Deore cogset that mounts on standard hub splines. That's your 1x solution in 2023.
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I think 1x solution would be 36T crankset and 11-36T cassette.
In any case, there are lots of 39T etc cranksets out there. The Stronglight Impact might work (even though this is a 2 year old thread). Then there's a Sturmey Archer 42T model and the new Shimano CUES does come in a 40T single crankset (FC-U4000-1).
In any case, there are lots of 39T etc cranksets out there. The Stronglight Impact might work (even though this is a 2 year old thread). Then there's a Sturmey Archer 42T model and the new Shimano CUES does come in a 40T single crankset (FC-U4000-1).