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Old 10-17-21, 04:10 PM
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Genuine seller?

I run nine speed triple, and am always on the lookout for NOS backup parts. Does this seller look genuine?

NOS ST-6510

I'm in the UK but I know a lot of the people on this forum are US based, and the seller does seem to specialise in NOS parts. So I thought some here might have some experience of the seller. It's just that it seems surprising to have so many of that shifter on the shelves, considering that they are almost impossible to find anymore (new). But I don't know if there's a big counterfeit market for ST-6510s.

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Originally Posted by stratman View Post
I run nine speed triple, and am always on the lookout for NOS backup parts. Does this seller look genuine?

NOS ST-6510

I'm in the UK but I know a lot of the people on this forum are US based, and the seller does seem to specialise in NOS parts. So I thought some here might have some experience of the seller. It's just that it seems surprising to have so many of that shifter on the shelves, considering that they are almost impossible to find anymore (new). But I don't know if there's a big counterfeit market for ST-6510s.

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Looks legit to me. Iím just astounded how, in this post Covid world - certain scarce, no longer made parts are now quite expensive.
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Normally I would be very suspicious of a 6500 "BRAND NEW" brake/shifter but the seller has 100% positive feedback on over 15k sales. Can't see any obvious red flags with this seller. Anyways, Ebay has some good buyer protection policies. I'd jump on it before someone else does.
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Please let us know how this turns out. How would a seller come buy so many of these NOS? The overall feedback seems OK but purchase history for this particular item seems weird.

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Old 10-17-21, 05:56 PM
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Originally Posted by shelbyfv View Post
Please let us know how this turns out. How would a seller come buy so many of these NOS? The overall feedback seems OK but purchase history for this particular item seems weird.

Thanks. Where did you find that purchase history? You're right, it looks suspicious. Who on earth buys 25 of these at once? And I agree, I've spent a lot of time tracking down NOS 9 x 3 drivetrain gear over the last year. And most of NOS 6510s, M772s have gone. Well, all of them as far as I can tell, some of them to me. It seems really weird that somebody has suddenly popped up with so many of these. It would be more reassuring if the photo wasn't a library picture.

Yes, eBay does have good returns policies, it's just that I'm in the UK, so returning it would be more trouble than usual.

I'm wondering if it's just a listing error. I'm fairly sure I snagged a rare NOS item because the seller hadn't listed it correctly. I think I'll contact the seller first.
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Clicked on the red "62 sold" next to Quantity.
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Originally Posted by shelbyfv View Post
Clicked on the red "62 sold" next to Quantity.
Thanks.

Something about this isn't right. If there's one thing I know about it's searching for NOS ST-6510s on the internet. No seller would hang on to these as an appreciating asset, they aren't like fine wine. So the only explanation that I can think of is that a large quantity of them had lain forgotten somewhere and was then discovered. That's possible of course. But then anybody in the bike business would want to shift them quickly. According to the sold items listing somebody bought about 60 of them - but none of those have appeared for sale anywhere yet. Unless they are busy building up 9 speed Ultegra bikes, in which case they'll have to find matching left hand shifters too.
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How tough would it be to re-logo ST-R600 levers?

Just wondering because I believe R600ís were more recent and may not have sold that well.

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Looks legit.
Seller may be a wholesaler of buyout lots. 9 speed Ultegra isn’t really a high demand item normally. So the seller vuys a huge lot of maybe OEM stuff for cheap and takes on the task of selling it off piece by piece at a significant markup. It will show up suddenly and- which seems to be the case here- sell off quickly.
Look at the selling history, buyers are picking them up in quantity. Likely these are shops or third tier distributers/sellers who are willing to bet that six months from now they can sell them for a lot more.
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Old 10-18-21, 12:14 AM
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Originally Posted by 70sSanO View Post
How tough would it be to re-logo ST-R600 levers?

Just wondering because I believe R600’s were more recent and may not have sold that well.

John
I've never seen a pair of ST-R600s in the flesh, but I don't think it would be that easy. They'd need a supply of the plastic covers, which are actually even harder to get hold of than the complete lever, and I think the ST-R600s didn't have "Ultegra" marked on the actual lever. I have actually tried to get a pair of R600s NOS, as I have small hands, and the R600s were a short reach version of the ST-6510s. But R600s are extremely rare, so I find it even more unlikely that anybody would have a supply of these. The model number is stamped onto the shifter body under the hood, so you can't really get away with "re-badging" them.

The seller has responded saying it's not a listing error, they have plenty of them but they're going fast.

As I said, I'm building up a stock of spares, but I'm wondering, do RH shifters break or wear out more frequently than LH shifters? At the moment I'm buying things in pairs, but I'm wondering if it's worth having more spare RH shifters. I'm in the UK so the potential for crash damage is slightly more on the LH side, possibly. Indeed that's the side that has so far has sustained a tiny bit of cosmetic damage.
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Originally Posted by 70sSanO View Post
How tough would it be to re-logo ST-R600 levers?
Just wondering because I believe R600ís were more recent and may not have sold that well.
John
Good point but I'm not sure there's much to be gained by doing that. The R600's are just about as scarce and seem to be selling at the same price as the 6500's, 6500 faceplates are even harder to find than the entire levers and aren't cheap. Aren't the 600's the same thing as 6500's anyways? I'm asking because It seems they are but I don't know for sure.
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Originally Posted by masi61 View Post
Looks legit to me. Iím just astounded how, in this post Covid world - certain scarce, no longer made parts are now quite expensive.
IME this is has been the case even well before covid. even mundane lower end like rx100 can be big bucks, especially NOS

I predict this is going to be the case for Ultegra 8000 as it is the last mechanical ultegra group. I am even thinking of buying spares because of this
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Originally Posted by stratman View Post
I run nine speed triple, and am always on the lookout for NOS backup parts. Does this seller look genuine?

NOS ST-6510

I'm in the UK but I know a lot of the people on this forum are US based, and the seller does seem to specialise in NOS parts. So I thought some here might have some experience of the seller. It's just that it seems surprising to have so many of that shifter on the shelves, considering that they are almost impossible to find anymore (new). But I don't know if there's a big counterfeit market for ST-6510s.

Thanks.
Like you, I am running 9sp triple, and I just ordered one of these. Looks legit. I received a tracking number in less than 30 minutes. Should be delivered to me within a week, will report back.

I hate to pay a high price for an obsolete shifter, but I am using a DA 7700 rear shift lever that has a lot of play in the upshift paddle, and I have wondered if it was wearing out. I'd rather pay the price than have it fail and have to scramble for a backup.

Looking at the Purchase History for these shifters, the seller upped the price after it sold the bulk of them. Maybe when they get down to the last one or two it will rise again.
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Originally Posted by stratman View Post
I run nine speed triple, and am always on the lookout for NOS backup parts. Does this seller look genuine?

NOS ST-6510

I'm in the UK but I know a lot of the people on this forum are US based, and the seller does seem to specialise in NOS parts. So I thought some here might have some experience of the seller. It's just that it seems surprising to have so many of that shifter on the shelves, considering that they are almost impossible to find anymore (new). But I don't know if there's a big counterfeit market for ST-6510s.

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I'd feel comfortable buying from that seller. You can always message him and see how he came into that quantity of NOS product.
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Like you, I am running 9sp triple, and I just ordered one of these. Looks legit. I received a tracking number in less than 30 minutes. Should be delivered to me within a week, will report back.
Reporting back! I ordered the shifter on Monday, received it today/Thursday from California via USPS, a coast-to-coast trip. It certainly isn't a counterfeit; it has a Shimano tag zip-tied to it that tells me, This shifter is ready for Flight Deck. Are you?






It is expensive, but authentic. Rubber hood looks mint. I strung a cable through it and ran it up and down, seems to work fine. I notice the seller still says, More than 10 available.
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Good to know! Would love to hear how the seller came upon the cache of NOS.
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Reporting back! I ordered the shifter on Monday, received it today/Thursday from California via USPS, a coast-to-coast trip. It certainly isn't a counterfeit; it has a Shimano tag zip-tied to it that tells me, This shifter is ready for Flight Deck. Are you?






It is expensive, but authentic. Rubber hood looks mint. I strung a cable through it and ran it up and down, seems to work fine. I notice the seller still says, More than 10 available.
That's great, thanks very much for reporting back. I better order one soon, I don't want to find out they've all gone because I notified people about them here!!
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Good to know! Would love to hear how the seller came upon the cache of NOS.
Yes, I wonder where these all came from too.
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That's great, thanks very much for reporting back. I better order one soon, I don't want to find out they've all gone because I notified people about them here!!
I thought the same thing. But after I ordered this one, the seller still has "more than 10" available. So he might have 12, or 1200... Yikes!
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Just a tip folks. These are going up in price, presumably as they start to get towards the end of their stock. Somebody just bought 40.

If you want one I'd buy soon, before they either run out or the price goes up again.
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Where did they come from? Probably a big manufacturer that didn't use them before 10sp came around, and then found their agreement with Shimano is that they couldn't just sell them. How long has it been since these were made? 17 years perhaps? Expiration of patent? My road bike is 16 years old and has 10sp, and 10sp wasn't even new then. So this speculation may fit.
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