Go Back  Bike Forums > Bike Forums > Bicycle Mechanics
Reload this Page >

St-7800 shifter not a direct swap for ST-6600 shifter?

Search
Notices
Bicycle Mechanics Broken bottom bracket? Tacoed wheel? If you're having problems with your bicycle, or just need help fixing a flat, drop in here for the latest on bicycle mechanics & bicycle maintenance.

St-7800 shifter not a direct swap for ST-6600 shifter?

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old 10-23-21, 08:22 AM
  #1  
Senior Member
Thread Starter
 
Join Date: Aug 2010
Location: Utah
Posts: 8,667

Bikes: Paletti,Pinarello Monviso,Duell Vienna,Giordana XL Super,Lemond Maillot Juane.& custom,PDG Paramount,Fuji Opus III,Davidson Impulse,Pashley Guv'nor,Evans,Fishlips,Y-Foil,Softride, Tetra Pro, CAAD8 Optimo,

Mentioned: 156 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 2323 Post(s)
Liked 4,981 Times in 1,775 Posts
St-7800 shifter not a direct swap for ST-6600 shifter?

Missing the faceplate on the one ST-6600 10 speed shifter on my CAAD8. Had gotten a nice set of ST-7800 shifters with the bike so those were swapped on. The ST-7800 don't seem to have enough cable pull for the Shimano 105 FD that the ST-6600's were working just fine with. Thought they'd be a direct swap since both are 10 speed. I thought the cable pull change came with Dura Ace 7900?

What do ya think, should it work?

Can't find a Shimano compatibility chart that has the ST-7800's on it.
__________________
Steel is real...and comfy.
jamesdak is online now  
Old 10-23-21, 08:36 AM
  #2  
SE Wis
 
dedhed's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2005
Location: Milwaukee, WI
Posts: 10,507

Bikes: '68 Raleigh Sprite, '02 Raleigh C500, '84 Raleigh Gran Prix, '91 Trek 400, 2013 Novara Randonee, 1990 Trek 970

Mentioned: 40 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 2743 Post(s)
Liked 3,390 Times in 2,053 Posts
https://www.celebrazio.net/bicycling...no_jp_2008.pdf
dedhed is offline  
Old 10-23-21, 08:38 AM
  #3  
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2009
Location: San Diego, CA
Posts: 3,667
Mentioned: 10 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 836 Post(s)
Liked 1,060 Times in 744 Posts
Are you sure you have the cable routing on the 105 derailleur clamp correct? Not sure if yours is the 5600 105 or ?? but here are the cable routing instructions. SI-5JM0C-001-ENG.pdf (shimano.com)
Crankycrank is offline  
Old 10-23-21, 08:52 AM
  #4  
Senior Member
Thread Starter
 
Join Date: Aug 2010
Location: Utah
Posts: 8,667

Bikes: Paletti,Pinarello Monviso,Duell Vienna,Giordana XL Super,Lemond Maillot Juane.& custom,PDG Paramount,Fuji Opus III,Davidson Impulse,Pashley Guv'nor,Evans,Fishlips,Y-Foil,Softride, Tetra Pro, CAAD8 Optimo,

Mentioned: 156 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 2323 Post(s)
Liked 4,981 Times in 1,775 Posts
Originally Posted by Crankycrank
Are you sure you have the cable routing on the 105 derailleur clamp correct? Not sure if yours is the 5600 105 or ?? but here are the cable routing instructions. SI-5JM0C-001-ENG.pdf (shimano.com)
Yeah, this is what I am wondering too. I actually have the LBS doing this one and haven't picked it back up yet. Normally they do awesome work on my stuff but this one seemed to stump them. I didn't check compatibility because I didnt' think it was a problem. I do have a FD-7800 I can put on this bike but figured the one on there would work if it did with the Ultegra shifter.

Don't remember which FD it is off the top of my head.

__________________
Steel is real...and comfy.
jamesdak is online now  
Old 10-23-21, 09:56 AM
  #5  
SE Wis
 
dedhed's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2005
Location: Milwaukee, WI
Posts: 10,507

Bikes: '68 Raleigh Sprite, '02 Raleigh C500, '84 Raleigh Gran Prix, '91 Trek 400, 2013 Novara Randonee, 1990 Trek 970

Mentioned: 40 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 2743 Post(s)
Liked 3,390 Times in 2,053 Posts
Doh front.
​​​​​​https://www.celebrazio.net/bicycling...no_jp_2008.pdf
dedhed is offline  
Likes For dedhed:
Old 10-23-21, 11:09 AM
  #6  
Senior Member
Thread Starter
 
Join Date: Aug 2010
Location: Utah
Posts: 8,667

Bikes: Paletti,Pinarello Monviso,Duell Vienna,Giordana XL Super,Lemond Maillot Juane.& custom,PDG Paramount,Fuji Opus III,Davidson Impulse,Pashley Guv'nor,Evans,Fishlips,Y-Foil,Softride, Tetra Pro, CAAD8 Optimo,

Mentioned: 156 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 2323 Post(s)
Liked 4,981 Times in 1,775 Posts
Just got it back. The FD is really old, it's a FD-1050 so it most likely is the issue.

I thought about this more as I drove to town. I've only had a few rides on this since it's a recent pickup. FD was rubbing on the outer ring and I adjusted for that. Then I found the crank had a lot of side to side play in it. That had allowed grit inside the BB past the seals. So I replaced the BB, put on the crank, but never fully checked everything since I was already planning on doing the other work to it. So this probably never did work correctly as I think about it.
__________________
Steel is real...and comfy.

Last edited by jamesdak; 10-23-21 at 11:13 AM.
jamesdak is online now  
Old 10-23-21, 01:30 PM
  #7  
Senior Member
Thread Starter
 
Join Date: Aug 2010
Location: Utah
Posts: 8,667

Bikes: Paletti,Pinarello Monviso,Duell Vienna,Giordana XL Super,Lemond Maillot Juane.& custom,PDG Paramount,Fuji Opus III,Davidson Impulse,Pashley Guv'nor,Evans,Fishlips,Y-Foil,Softride, Tetra Pro, CAAD8 Optimo,

Mentioned: 156 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 2323 Post(s)
Liked 4,981 Times in 1,775 Posts
So, just to close the loop on this. It was the FD. It took me all of about 5 minutes to put on the proper FD-7800 and dial it in. Shifting seems spot on with no rubbing on the stand. As soon as the rains stop this will get a real test ride.

For someone who usually messes with old steel bikes this thing is now crazy light. My lightest steel bike is my one Giordana XL Super at 17 lbs 14 ozs.

This beast now weighs in at 16 lbs 8 ozs as in this picture except for the FD. I grabbed this pic before I put on the FD-7800.

__________________
Steel is real...and comfy.

Last edited by jamesdak; 10-29-21 at 09:16 PM.
jamesdak is online now  
Old 10-24-21, 02:53 AM
  #8  
Senior Member
 
icemilkcoffee's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2009
Posts: 2,389
Mentioned: 14 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1559 Post(s)
Liked 1,733 Times in 973 Posts
Originally Posted by jamesdak
Just got it back. The FD is really old, it's a FD-1050 so it most likely is the issue.
There is your problem. The FD 1050 is a pre-brifter era FD and has the wrong pull ratio for brifters. You need the 105 FD1056
icemilkcoffee is offline  
Old 10-24-21, 03:11 AM
  #9  
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: West Yorkshire, United Kingdom
Posts: 5,773
Mentioned: 5 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 453 Post(s)
Liked 104 Times in 87 Posts
Originally Posted by jamesdak

Nice build! well color coordinated
jimc101 is offline  
Old 10-24-21, 11:28 AM
  #10  
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2009
Posts: 1,802
Mentioned: 5 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 501 Post(s)
Liked 626 Times in 370 Posts
Originally Posted by jimc101
...well color coordinated
No....
wheelreason is online now  
Old 10-29-21, 09:13 PM
  #11  
Senior Member
Thread Starter
 
Join Date: Aug 2010
Location: Utah
Posts: 8,667

Bikes: Paletti,Pinarello Monviso,Duell Vienna,Giordana XL Super,Lemond Maillot Juane.& custom,PDG Paramount,Fuji Opus III,Davidson Impulse,Pashley Guv'nor,Evans,Fishlips,Y-Foil,Softride, Tetra Pro, CAAD8 Optimo,

Mentioned: 156 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 2323 Post(s)
Liked 4,981 Times in 1,775 Posts
Originally Posted by wheelreason
No....
LOL, it certainly isn't subtle.

But on it's first ride yesterday since all the work was done, it's finally living up to the Cannondale reputation of being fast.
__________________
Steel is real...and comfy.
jamesdak is online now  

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off



Contact Us - Archive - Advertising - Cookie Policy - Privacy Statement - Terms of Service -

Copyright © 2024 MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands. All rights reserved. Use of this site indicates your consent to the Terms of Use.