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Old 04-11-22, 08:46 AM
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toughest ie flat resistant tires for vintage roadbike?

I have a Ritchey Road Logic i was trying to sell but does not look like it is going to sell so if I put a taller stem and different handlebars to get more upright (I can not ride roadie position due to neck) what is the most flat proof and widest tires that will safely fit on a mavic open 4 cd rim? I don't have a ton of room this is with a 23C tire. Also I have brake lever shifters what is the cheapest way to overcome those when going to a higher stem and mustache style bar? thanks.




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Old 04-11-22, 09:00 AM
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Your rims will hold a bigger tire than the Ritchey can take.

Note tough tires may not ride very well. That said Specialized had the Armadillo tire, Panaracer has Ribmo
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Check out this Sheldon Brown page for a chart of tire width vs internal rim width (scroll 7/8 down): https://sheldonbrown.com/tire-sizing.html
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Originally Posted by Mr. 66 View Post
Your rims will hold a bigger tire than the Ritchey can take.

Note tough tires may not ride very well. That said Specialized had the Armadillo tire, Panaracer has Ribmo
thank you. I have read conflicting info on tire width compatibility with the rims some say on the open 4 being they are only 13.1 wide a 25 is the widest others say 28 is not an issue others say 32 but I doubt 32 will fit my bike anyway. I would gladly give up some comfort for not changing flats at this stage of my life.
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Old 04-11-22, 09:13 AM
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Originally Posted by MudPie View Post
Check out this Sheldon Brown page for a chart of tire width vs internal rim width (scroll 7/8 down): https://sheldonbrown.com/tire-sizing.html
thanks, that chart indicates 25 wide tire. as the open 4's are 13.1mm inner width.
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I'll also include the Continental "Gatorskin Hardshell" are very tough and as Mr. 66 noted with the other two tires they don't ride nearly as well as a good lightweight race/trainer tire but not horrible either.
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It's hard to imagine being unable to sell a Ritchey bike. Nevertheless, you might investigate a 650b conversion to get the tire clearance you want.
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Originally Posted by shelbyfv View Post
It's hard to imagine being unable to sell a Ritchey bike. Nevertheless, you might investigate a 650b conversion to get the tire clearance you want.
I really don't want to put much money into it as I have a neck that really doesn't want me to ride. so cheaper is better.
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Try to fit the largest tire you can in there. You might be able to fit 28mm there. Wider tire allows you to run lower pressure. Lower pressure means fewer punctures.
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Schwalbe Marathon Plus, very heavy but very flat resistant and durable. A great option if durability is more of a priority than ride quality.
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Also, if youre having trouble selling it, it might be worth taking to a good shop that deals in used bikes and seeing if you can work out a trade-in for something that fits your needs. A shop wont offer as much as a private sale but will save you the work and time spent selling it, and might give you a better offer for trade rather than cash.
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You might change your ad to sell or trade for hybrid or ... dare I say it? ... 'bent. Sorry youi can't sell the Ritchey - it's a beauty, and it looks like you've treated it well.
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Originally Posted by bboy314 View Post
Schwalbe Marathon Plus, very heavy but very flat resistant and durable. A great option if durability is more of a priority than ride quality.
I checked these out on the REI site and lots of complaints saying they were really hard to mount on a narrower rims.
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Originally Posted by jadmt View Post
I checked these out on the REI site and lots of complaints saying they were really hard to mount on a narrower rims.
Good point, that can be difficult because their bead is very thick.
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Originally Posted by philbob57 View Post
You might change your ad to sell or trade for hybrid or ... dare I say it? ... 'bent. Sorry youi can't sell the Ritchey - it's a beauty, and it looks like you've treated it well.
never lol....I actually have an early 90's Serotta colorado ATX(serial number 007 and would you believe in british racing green) I am converting to a semi hybrid, or at least trying to. I bought a rigid fork to replace the rockshox mag 21 and the shop cut the steer tube down on the fork and apparently broke the chris king lock down nut. It is a 1" grip nut set up and he does not know if he can find another. apparently 1" CK grip nut set ups are hard to come by and he said the fork tube is cut to match so another head set won't work as the stack height on CK is really low compared to everybody else. He said he is calling around so hopefully he can find parts for it.
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I bought a rigid fork to replace the rockshox mag 21 and the shop cut the steer tube down on the fork and apparently broke the chris king lock down nut. It is a 1" grip nut set up and he does not know if he can find another. apparently 1" CK grip nut set ups are hard to come by
As well as waiting for the shop to let you know if the grip nut becomes available you can put yourself on a list from CK directly. Can't hurt. GripNut Conversion Kit 1" Chris King Precision Components
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I really don't want to put much money into it as I have a neck that really doesn't want me to ride. so cheaper is better.
Gatorskin Hardshell. I prefer the regular Gatorskins and have never gotten a flat with them. They also look pretty road bikish. https://www.biketiresdirect.com/product/continental-gator-hardshell-700c-road-tire-folding

I have a Nitto Dirt Drop stem and Mustache Bars I may be willing to part with. Used them for a short period on a Fuji Gran Tourer. They look like the ones on the Atlantis below.

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Originally Posted by jadmt View Post
thank you. I have read conflicting info on tire width compatibility with the rims some say on the open 4 being they are only 13.1 wide a 25 is the widest others say 28 is not an issue others say 32 but I doubt 32 will fit my bike anyway. I would gladly give up some comfort for not changing flats at this stage of my life.
In the early 90s companies were re-rolling road rims with the same internal width to fit 26 mtb tires. Im running 2.1 tires on 14mm internal width rims.

As Mr. 66 stated your frame will run out of room way before the rims are too narrow. If you can fit 28mm consider yourself lucky.

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It sorta looks like this bike is too small for you anyway. I mean that's a lot of seatpost showing for a vintage bike. That's a really long stem, too. If you wanted to make this bike still work for your bad neck, just get an upright stem ... or even just a short (90mm) stem that's tall.

The best tires for the budget minded who wish to avoid flats and still appreciate a nice ride are Panaracer Pasela folding tires. Buy size 25mm for your dedicated road bike and be done with it.
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...what is the most flat proof and widest tires that will safely fit on a mavic open 4 cd rim?
Tannus by a mile. Widths 23mm, 25mm, 28mm all offered.
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Tannus by a mile. Widths 23mm, 25mm, 28mm all offered.
The non air filled tire suggestion was my first thought too. Although all the various types I have worked with or ridden are poor WRT traction and comfort. Some airless tires had the reputation of loosening the spokes due to the increased vibrations they pass onto the rim. Many of these airless tires also have a very specific tire/rim fit that needs to be right. Not the best choice to order sight unseen or by someone not familiar with a company's sizings. Andy
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Originally Posted by Andrew R Stewart View Post
The non air filled tire suggestion was my first thought too. Although all the various types I have worked with or ridden are poor WRT traction and comfort. Some airless tires had the reputation of loosening the spokes due to the increased vibrations they pass onto the rim. Many of these airless tires also have a very specific tire/rim fit that needs to be right. Not the best choice to order sight unseen or by someone not familiar with a company's sizings. Andy
I tried some supposedly high end solid tires from 25 yrs ago. Absolute nightmare, terrible traction wet or dry, slow and felt like I was pushing through deep sand. Added 10 mins to my usual 30 min ride to work. Saying that, I realize that technology improves over time but having looked at some reviews, I'm very doubtful that the Tanus are going to be anything near as good as any of the tires mentioned already for performance. Some reviewers say they are only slightly slower than their favorite lightweight tire but others experiences sound closer to mine. If you try them make sure you can return them if you're not happy.
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Originally Posted by Crankycrank View Post
I tried some supposedly high end solid tires from 25 yrs ago. Absolute nightmare, terrible traction wet or dry, slow and felt like I was pushing through deep sand. Added 10 mins to my usual 30 min ride to work.
All true, but the OP asked for "the most flatproof tire".
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Gatorskin folding bead. They're very reasonably light and good riding - and very puncture resistance. I don't live among goathead thorns, but these tires have never, ever flatted on me or most anyone I know. It looks to me like you can fit a 28 in there. The rim width won't be a problem, imho.
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