Fell into a big hole, steerer tube went up by 1 mm. Bad???
I was puttering along a flooded street during a strong rain. The water was muddy so I can't see what's underneath and fell into a big hole right in the middle of the road lane. Fortunately, I was going real slow like 6 mph so I didn't fall, didn't crash, unhurt and uninjured and avoided pinch flat.
As soon as I got home, I noticed the headset developed some play so I loosened the stem bolts, removed the top cap and noticed the steerer tube have gone up by 1mm, almost to the top of the stem. What might have happened? I have sealed cartridge bearing headset on my bike. For sure, something on the headset, especially the bottom components moved or deformed by 1mm due to the impact. I already checked both the aluminum frame and aluminum fork and there's no damage, no crack, whatsoever. I manage to re-tighten the headset and eliminated any play without problems. I checked for any binding, rough spots, loose spots, etc, there were none. In fact, steering was perfectly smooth like it was new. Apparently, the problem seems to have been fixed but should I be worried about the fact, the steerer tube went up by 1mm??? I didn't bothered to take apart the headset to see what really happened piece by piece as I needed to use the bike pretty soon. |
There may be an easy answer. I'm trying to logic this out though....
The forces that hitting a hole would incur would seem to compress the bearing/spacer stack. Many explanations for your experience would seem to imply the opposite - a stretching force. is it possible that your lower bearing was not fully seated on the fork bottom, and the force of impact fully seated the bearing? |
Originally Posted by WizardOfBoz
(Post 22523779)
....is it possible that your lower bearing was not fully seated on the fork bottom, and the force of impact fully seated the bearing?
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Originally Posted by HillRider
(Post 22523865)
Or that the lower cup wasn't seated fully? The OP didn't say what the age or make of bike is or the headset type so this is all a guess. It seems to me that an impact insufficient to even cause a pinch flat or distorted the headtube shouldn't have shortened it either.
Also, I think that if the frame's not bent or cracked, you should be good to ride on it. In fact, the bump may have improved the OP's frame alignment! |
Originally Posted by HillRider
(Post 22523865)
Or that the lower cup wasn't seated fully? The OP didn't say what the age or make of bike is or the headset type so this is all a guess. It seems to me that an impact insufficient to even cause a pinch flat or distorted the headtube shouldn't have shortened it either.
Originally Posted by WizardOfBoz
(Post 22523902)
Ah, I think that this is what I'd meant - Hillrider has pointed out the corrrect terminology (thanks Hillrider)
Also, I think that if the frame's not bent or cracked, you should be good to ride on it. In fact, the bump may have improved the OP's frame alignment! I do have one bike with a cartridge headset; my 14 yo custom with a Chris King threadless. It's been so trouble free I've never taken it apart so I still don't know the details at the fork crown and bottom of headtube! |
ummm, how do you know it moved 1mm?
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Originally Posted by HillRider
(Post 22523865)
Or that the lower cup wasn't seated fully? The OP didn't say what the age or make of bike is or the headset type so this is all a guess. It seems to me that an impact insufficient to even cause a pinch flat or distorted the headtube shouldn't have shortened it either.
The headset is still silky smooth after I preloaded it again and tightened everything. Not very surprisingly, the tires did not sustain any damage. It's a puncture resistant commuter / touring tire (Panaracer Ribmo) that has bead-to-bead puncture resistant layer and was indeed advertised to resist pinch flats and that it did so well. Great tire if you wish to survive WW3 but won't win you any races The bike is a cheap Walmart type gravel bike that originally had cup and cone bearing headset. bought last 2020 and upgraded the headset to sealed cartridge type the same year. The headset product was ZTTO that only cost $7 commonly available from aliexpress. |
Originally Posted by epnnf
(Post 22523940)
ummm, how do you know it moved 1mm?
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If the steerer tube is pressed into the fork crown it may have been moved slightly. Check under the crown for signs of movement.
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Originally Posted by koala logs
(Post 22523571)
I was puttering along a flooded street during a strong rain. The water was muddy so I can't see what's underneath and fell into a big hole right in the middle of the road lane. Fortunately, I was going real slow like 6 mph so I didn't fall, didn't crash, unhurt and uninjured and avoided pinch flat.
As soon as I got home, I noticed the headset developed some play so I loosened the stem bolts, removed the top cap and noticed the steerer tube have gone up by 1mm, almost to the top of the stem. What might have happened? I have sealed cartridge bearing headset on my bike. For sure, something on the headset, especially the bottom components moved or deformed by 1mm due to the impact. I already checked both the aluminum frame and aluminum fork and there's no damage, no crack, whatsoever. I manage to re-tighten the headset and eliminated any play without problems. I checked for any binding, rough spots, loose spots, etc, there were none. In fact, steering was perfectly smooth like it was new. Apparently, the problem seems to have been fixed but should I be worried about the fact, the steerer tube went up by 1mm??? I didn't bothered to take apart the headset to see what really happened piece by piece as I needed to use the bike pretty soon. |
I'm not really understanding what happened and am too lazy to read any more carefully and think any more deeply than I have already (sorry!). The first thing I thought of is: did the star fangled nut or expansion plug that is used to load the headset bearings slip?
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If the stem slipped down then it (a) wasn't all the way against the spacer or headset below it, or the fork or headset was not properly seated, and (b) the stem wasn't not sufficiently tightened - it certainly should not slip down even if there were room to move.
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Originally Posted by Crankycrank
(Post 22523994)
If the steerer tube is pressed into the fork crown it may have been moved slightly. Check under the crown for signs of movement.
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Originally Posted by KerryIrons
(Post 22524773)
Maybe I'm not understanding, but my first guess would be that the stem slipped on the steerer tube.
When I was trying to tighten it up, first the top cap, it won't preload the bearings anymore so I removed top cap and saw the steer is almost to the same level of the stem. Before I panicked (because I threw away all my spacers) so there's no way I could preload the bearings anymore, I found a good sized washer and used that as spacer to help preload the bearings. It worked out. Took the bike for a ride in a really bumpy route, hitting washboard surfaces at 20 mph. Upon getting home, I checked the preload. NOW the headset is less preloaded. Meaning the steerer tube went up again but this time by an an incredibly small amount so the bearings are still preloaded just fine, no play, no unusual noises, working perfectly like new. For now I decided to stop worrying about it. I'll guess I'll keep checking the preload level after each ride and see if it's diminishing. I really do hope I didn't break anything on the headset, for sure the sealed bearings are fine because it's perfectly smooth but I'm a little worried the lower cups may have cracked or something. |
Originally Posted by Camilo
(Post 22525037)
I'm not really understanding what happened and am too lazy to read any more carefully and think any more deeply than I have already (sorry!). The first thing I thought of is: did the star fangled nut or expansion plug that is used to load the headset bearings slip?
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Originally Posted by HillRider
(Post 22523865)
Or that the lower cup wasn't seated fully? The OP didn't say what the age or make of bike is or the headset type so this is all a guess. It seems to me that an impact insufficient to even cause a pinch flat or distorted the headtube shouldn't have shortened it either.
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good example of why not to ride thru unknown water. I have a spot I ride thru several times a year, but it's shallow & I know the bottom is firm. plus, in daylight I can see the bottom
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Originally Posted by koala logs
(Post 22523571)
should I be worried about the fact, the steerer tube went up by 1mm?
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Originally Posted by SoSmellyAir
(Post 22525608)
Maybe this is an instance of further seating the crown race by riding into pothole?
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Originally Posted by rumrunn6
(Post 22525620)
does not appear so. but wondering what is is going on w/ the bike. got pics of the new stem?
For what it's worth, I did not install the sealed headset bearing upgrade myself. I bought the headset from a LBS and had them install it and they didn't actually use that special tool to seat the crown but simply used rubber mallet. I've seem them do it many times on other bikes and I might have done the same thing if I had to install the headset myself. I suppose there's a possibility it did not get seated all the way. I was taking my chance on that day and I was following a motorcycle closely that's also moving slowly and carefully. I suppose I did not track their wheel perfectly, may have been off by 1 ft to the side and I fell in it (the motorcycle didn't). I'm fairly convinced now my next bike will have at least 2" wide wheels if I have to ride in all weather conditions. Pavement, gravel, anything. |
koala logs, I think at this point you really need to take the fork out and inspect everything for anything unusual or damaged. Otherwise, we're all just making guesses with no way to confirm anything.
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Originally Posted by koala logs
(Post 22525744)
I bought the headset from a LBS and had them install it and they didn't actually use that special tool to seat the crown but simply used rubber mallet. I've seem them do it many times on other bikes
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I bought one when I wanted to change a fork
https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...6295c9769a.jpg https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...4444407f39.jpg then the tube slides over this & you just thrust it down a cpl times https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...f9caf2fad3.jpg until it's past the taper & can't go down anymore https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...84984a6f62.jpg |
Originally Posted by Crankycrank
(Post 22525778)
koala logs, I think at this point you really need to take the fork out and inspect everything for anything unusual or damaged. Otherwise, we're all just making guesses with no way to confirm anything.
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