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Old 06-08-22, 12:06 PM
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Originally Posted by davidad View Post
That's a silly notion. You will never put a better lube on your chain than the factory job. Wipe the excess off of the outer parts of the chain and ride. I've ridden as much as 1000 miles before removing, cleaning and lubing a new chain.
The factory lube is very slow and it attracts dirt and sand like flies to you know what.

This has been proven by two independent studies.
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Old 06-08-22, 12:16 PM
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Originally Posted by GhostRider62 View Post
The factory lube is very slow and it attracts dirt and sand like flies to you know what.

This has been proven by two independent studies.
Yeah, ride a new uncleaned chain on a MTB or dusty gravel trail and see how useful that grease is.
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Old 06-08-22, 02:17 PM
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Originally Posted by GhostRider62 View Post
The factory lube is very slow and it attracts dirt and sand like flies to you know what.

This has been proven by two independent studies.
My and Jobst Brandt"s experience say otherwise.
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Old 06-08-22, 02:51 PM
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Originally Posted by davidad View Post
My and Jobst Brandt"s experience say otherwise.
N = 2 isn't data.

You are wrong. Silly wrong. Try looking in the last decade, not the last century. I rarely get less than 5,000 miles from a chain and often 10,000+ miles and that is only at 0.4% wear.

https://www.velonews.com/gear/tech-w...n-a-new-chain/
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Old 06-08-22, 03:12 PM
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I use Sram Force 22 on road bike. 38600 km at the 4th chain and I shall probably switch to a new 5th chain at 45000 km. It means more than 10000 km per chain. I use to remove, deeply clean with diesel fuel and lube the chain, at every 1000-1500 km. I use a Rohloff caliper and change the chain well before "0.1mm" on caliper, because there is also a lateral wear of the chain that makes shifting somehow hesitating - I shift excessively and sometimes under load. Looking at the chain rings and cassette shape, I would say they will last furter 38000 km - over 70000 km in total.
Chain wear at 100 miles is too small to be measured. Either the chain was not new, or the caliper / measurement is wrong.

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Old 06-08-22, 04:00 PM
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Originally Posted by GhostRider62 View Post
N = 2 isn't data.

You are wrong. Silly wrong. Try looking in the last decade, not the last century. I rarely get less than 5,000 miles from a chain and often 10,000+ miles and that is only at 0.4% wear.

https://www.velonews.com/gear/tech-w...n-a-new-chain/
Oh my. It took me 262,000 miles and 79 years to get a foolish as you are. I am violating rule number 2, Look it up.
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Old 06-08-22, 05:48 PM
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Originally Posted by davidad View Post
Oh my. It took me 262,000 miles and 79 years to get a foolish as you are. I am violating rule number 2, Look it up.
You said it was silly, so did I in retort. I don't think I called you foolish but you are wrong.

Chains are not shipped with the same lube in 2022 as in 1992. They did no testing back then. Friction Facts also did a study but it might be hard to find.
Age and miles have nothing to do with you saying removal of factory lube is silly. Not only does it cost more watts, it causes more wear sooner.
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Old 06-09-22, 08:50 AM
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I strip the factory lube off so I can start with my home made paraffin based liquid lube that will be used for the life of the chain. It yields excellent chain life and doesn't attract dirt. Not all chains show a lot of elongation as they wear. Campy chains and the new sram axs chains can be extremely worn at the rollers and side clearance between the links, with little elongation. Measuring the roller spacing between the outer plates on two adjacent links can show extreme wear, with little elongation. Users think it's great to get 6,000 miles or more from a chain, until they install a new chain and get new-chain skip, meaning the cassette is worn out. I have a length of scrap tape measure with a permanent pin through the 10 inch mark that allows for full length measurement of elongation.

I alternate the use of at least 4 chains on each cassette so I'll never get new-chain skip. I'm alternating 10 chains on my two axs bikes.
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Old 06-20-22, 05:58 PM
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Originally Posted by davidad View Post
That's a silly notion. You will never put a better lube on your chain than the factory job.
LOTS OF LAUGHS!

I agree that is silly.
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Old 06-20-22, 06:02 PM
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Originally Posted by GhostRider62 View Post
The factory lube is very slow and it attracts dirt and sand like flies to you know what.
Because it's not lube at all.

It's a standard shipping film.

They use smiliar on a lot of automotive parts, truck parts, construction equipment parts, parts for a cruise ship, especially when manufactured from countries with high seasonal humidity.
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Old 06-21-22, 03:02 PM
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Dry lube??? A chain is a machine, use a good oil.
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Originally Posted by trailangel View Post
Why degrease a new chain?
To use better lube or wax. Factory "lube" is mostly a preservative and rust inhibitor.

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Old 06-22-22, 11:31 AM
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^^ you are thinking of years ago when chains came with cosmoline on them
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Old 06-22-22, 01:48 PM
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Originally Posted by trailangel View Post
^^ you are thinking of years ago when chains came with cosmoline on them
I'm thinking of the 11 and 12 speed chains I bought this month. Factory lube also isn't fast and attracts contaminants. There are so many good lubes and waxes available, that here's no reason for a performance minded rider not to replace it with the lube or wax of their choice.

FWIW, Here's Lennard Zinn from March of this year: Technical FAQ: Should you leave the factory lube on a new chain?
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Old 06-25-22, 10:07 AM
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Originally Posted by soyabean View Post
Because it's not lube at all.

It's a standard shipping film.

They use smiliar on a lot of automotive parts, truck parts, construction equipment parts, parts for a cruise ship, especially when manufactured from countries with high seasonal humidity.
Why would the factory use a preservative on something that is not stored for any length of time? If you wipe off the LUBE on the outside of the chain it will not attract sand and boulders as you claim.
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Old 06-26-22, 08:19 AM
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Originally Posted by soyabean View Post
Because it's not lube at all.

It's a standard shipping film.

They use smiliar on a lot of automotive parts, truck parts, construction equipment parts, parts for a cruise ship, especially when manufactured from countries with high seasonal humidity.
The parts you refer to indeed coated for shipping as in industry we store them in a warehouses for what can be extended periods of time and there lubrication needs are met when put in service, this is not the case with the high quality chains of Shimano, Campagnolo, Sram, KMC who have a vested interest in your finding value in their chains and so use high quality lubes and recommend you do not remove it. I suspect this is not the case with many "budget" chains offered today.
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Old 06-29-22, 07:51 AM
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^^^ There ya go. I use wax.......on my windows so I can open them. Would never use wax on a chain.
Usually I use what I got.... more important to wipe the excess off the chain.
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