Notices
Bicycle Mechanics Broken bottom bracket? Tacoed wheel? If you're having problems with your bicycle, or just need help fixing a flat, drop in here for the latest on bicycle mechanics & bicycle maintenance.

Cones

Old 09-14-22, 06:04 PM
  #1  
louky
Junior Member
Thread Starter
 
Join Date: Aug 2022
Posts: 92
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 61 Post(s)
Liked 13 Times in 10 Posts
Cones

I was servicing my rear wheel on a year 2000 Schwinn Frontier. I found that the cones are worn to kind of a sharp edge and need to be replaced. I have no idea of how to order these. Do I just measure the axle? I will probably replace the ball bearings also. Thanks!
louky is offline  
Old 09-14-22, 06:34 PM
  #2  
CliffordK
Senior Member
 
CliffordK's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2014
Location: Eugene, Oregon, USA
Posts: 27,318
Mentioned: 216 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 17204 Post(s)
Liked 3,958 Times in 2,938 Posts
Do you have photos? The cones shouldn't distort, but can get pits which then tear up the ball bearings.

The easiest thing might be to go to your local bike shop to ask if they can match.

Wheels Manufacturing is one of the largest third party manufacturers of replacement cones.

https://wheelsmfg.com/products/hub-parts/all-cones.html
CliffordK is offline  
Old 09-14-22, 06:50 PM
  #3  
dedhed
SE Wis
 
dedhed's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2005
Location: Milwaukee, WI
Posts: 9,697

Bikes: '68 Raleigh Sprite, '02 Raleigh C500, '84 Raleigh Gran Prix, '91 Trek 400, 2013 Novara Randonee, 1990 Trek 970

Mentioned: 37 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 2394 Post(s)
Liked 2,717 Times in 1,655 Posts
Originally Posted by louky View Post
I was servicing my rear wheel on a year 2000 Schwinn Frontier.
More important is what brand is the hub
dedhed is offline  
Old 09-14-22, 08:29 PM
  #4  
Andrew R Stewart 
Senior Member
 
Andrew R Stewart's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2012
Location: Rochester, NY
Posts: 17,121

Bikes: Stewart S&S coupled sport tourer, Stewart Sunday light, Stewart Commuting, Stewart Touring, Co Motion Tandem, Stewart 3-Spd, Stewart Track, Fuji Finest, Mongoose Tomac ATB, GT Bravado ATB, JCP Folder, Stewart 650B ATB

Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 3790 Post(s)
Liked 2,935 Times in 1,797 Posts
If the cones were OEM ones and they wore to the point of a sharp small end being sharp there's a lot of chance the cups are also worn. Do your homework as a replacement wheel can be the lower cost solution when dealing with decades old hub issues. One benefits from new spokes and rim too. Andy
__________________
AndrewRStewart
Andrew R Stewart is offline  
Likes For Andrew R Stewart:
Old 09-15-22, 08:10 AM
  #5  
blingshock
Newbie
 
Join Date: Oct 2020
Posts: 10
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 2 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Yeah like others have said, do you have images? Cones tend to pit, but I have never heard of them getting a "sharp edge". If they are actually that worn, it's best to get another wheel.
blingshock is offline  
Old 09-15-22, 09:07 AM
  #6  
Andrew R Stewart 
Senior Member
 
Andrew R Stewart's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2012
Location: Rochester, NY
Posts: 17,121

Bikes: Stewart S&S coupled sport tourer, Stewart Sunday light, Stewart Commuting, Stewart Touring, Co Motion Tandem, Stewart 3-Spd, Stewart Track, Fuji Finest, Mongoose Tomac ATB, GT Bravado ATB, JCP Folder, Stewart 650B ATB

Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 3790 Post(s)
Liked 2,935 Times in 1,797 Posts
Cones getting a "sharp edge" is just wear that has gone on for way too long. Steel is a material that can be molded and flowed by pressure and cycles of force. Forging is an example of this process done on purpose. With hub cones this deforming is usually from a way too loose a bearing adjustment and as the wheel revolves on the cones the slop increases the banging on the cone's ball track that the balls will do (as the wheel flops from one extreme to the other). This is a different process than what causes pits (and that is from work hardening of the ball track's surface and it's micro cracking, usually from a too tight bearing adjustment.) Andy
__________________
AndrewRStewart
Andrew R Stewart is offline  
Old 09-15-22, 03:12 PM
  #7  
KerryIrons
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2012
Posts: 580
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 286 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 325 Times in 192 Posts
Originally Posted by Andrew R Stewart View Post
Cones getting a "sharp edge" is just wear that has gone on for way too long. Steel is a material that can be molded and flowed by pressure and cycles of force. Forging is an example of this process done on purpose. With hub cones this deforming is usually from a way too loose a bearing adjustment and as the wheel revolves on the cones the slop increases the banging on the cone's ball track that the balls will do (as the wheel flops from one extreme to the other). This is a different process than what causes pits (and that is from work hardening of the ball track's surface and it's micro cracking, usually from a too tight bearing adjustment.) Andy
I'm having a hard time imagining a wear situation where the pitted cones have turned into rutted cones such that the small end of the cone is now a sharp edge. Such a cone set would really be totally trashed. But maybe I'm misunderstanding the question.
KerryIrons is offline  
Old 09-15-22, 03:26 PM
  #8  
blingshock
Newbie
 
Join Date: Oct 2020
Posts: 10
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 2 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts
That's exactly what I am picturing as well. At least 1 or 2 spokes would definitely break well before the cones get that worn, but then if the spokes started breaking, then the wheel would just not even be rideable at all, so I do not know how a wheel can even get to the point of "sharp" cone edges... unless OP had replaced the spokes before. But if OP has replaced spokes before, then he probably knows how to replace bearings and would not be asking this question in the first place...
blingshock is offline  
Old 09-15-22, 07:32 PM
  #9  
oldbobcat
Senior Member
 
oldbobcat's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: Boulder County, CO
Posts: 3,924

Bikes: '80 Masi Gran Criterium, '12 Trek Madone, early '60s Frejus track

Mentioned: 5 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 350 Post(s)
Liked 283 Times in 214 Posts
These folks (Bike Parts USA) have the cheap axle kits that will probably work with your Schwinn hub. If you brought your Schwinn into a shop, this is what they'd use. If you get the axle too, you don't have to worry about threading. Bike Hub Parts
oldbobcat is offline  
Old 09-15-22, 07:50 PM
  #10  
Andrew R Stewart 
Senior Member
 
Andrew R Stewart's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2012
Location: Rochester, NY
Posts: 17,121

Bikes: Stewart S&S coupled sport tourer, Stewart Sunday light, Stewart Commuting, Stewart Touring, Co Motion Tandem, Stewart 3-Spd, Stewart Track, Fuji Finest, Mongoose Tomac ATB, GT Bravado ATB, JCP Folder, Stewart 650B ATB

Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 3790 Post(s)
Liked 2,935 Times in 1,797 Posts
Originally Posted by blingshock View Post
That's exactly what I am picturing as well. At least 1 or 2 spokes would definitely break well before the cones get that worn, but then if the spokes started breaking, then the wheel would just not even be rideable at all, so I do not know how a wheel can even get to the point of "sharp" cone edges... unless OP had replaced the spokes before. But if OP has replaced spokes before, then he probably knows how to replace bearings and would not be asking this question in the first place...
Sorry but you are wrong. Spokes and cones are two rather different things that have different stresses and different failure modes, their overlap is both get worse with continuing use.

I will say that not knowing why stuff happens does not mean it won't happen. Andy
__________________
AndrewRStewart
Andrew R Stewart is offline  
Old 09-17-22, 10:37 AM
  #11  
KerryIrons
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2012
Posts: 580
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 286 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 325 Times in 192 Posts
Originally Posted by blingshock View Post
At least 1 or 2 spokes would definitely break well before the cones get that worn.
What makes you say that? Cones wear due to badly adjusted hubs, lack of lubrication, and poor quality material. Spoke breakage is completely unrelated.
KerryIrons is offline  
Old 09-17-22, 10:53 AM
  #12  
Bill Kapaun
Really Old Senior Member
 
Bill Kapaun's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: Mid Willamette Valley, Orygun
Posts: 13,323

Bikes: 87 RockHopper,2008 Specialized Globe. Both upgraded to 9 speeds.

Mentioned: 19 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1571 Post(s)
Liked 910 Times in 648 Posts
Originally Posted by KerryIrons View Post
What makes you say that? Cones wear due to badly adjusted hubs, lack of lubrication, and poor quality material. Spoke breakage is completely unrelated.
+1
A dry, way over tightened cone may be destroyed on a trip around the block.
Bill Kapaun is offline  

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off


Thread Tools
Search this Thread

Contact Us - Archive - Advertising - Cookie Policy - Privacy Statement - Terms of Service - Do Not Sell or Share My Personal Information -

Copyright © 2023 MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands. All rights reserved. Use of this site indicates your consent to the Terms of Use.