Desperately seeking 10x1x130mm axle for 80's Sunshine/Sansin road hub
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Frame and fork look straight to me, I wouldn't bothered if there was that kind of damage, not even as a wall hanger.
I used to straighten bent Schwinn forks by throwing the bike on the lawn on the forks in a way to bring them back to true, metal "has a memory" and it usually worked quite well, a trick an old timer showed me.
I used to straighten bent Schwinn forks by throwing the bike on the lawn on the forks in a way to bring them back to true, metal "has a memory" and it usually worked quite well, a trick an old timer showed me.
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Heating with a torch would likely negatively affect the temper of the steel, unless re-tempered properly.
The old Schwinn forks bend just off the tube, the forks themselves aren't bent, so you're just straightening a little kink, a couple slams on the lawn always did it never broke one.
The old Schwinn forks bend just off the tube, the forks themselves aren't bent, so you're just straightening a little kink, a couple slams on the lawn always did it never broke one.
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Got tired of waiting on the BC Precision ball set, the complete 2nd axle with new cones etc showed up, along with Park grease, so I assembled the axle with cleaned old balls to see if the wider cones make the OLD too wide, and I'd already planned for a similar scenario so had bought a stack of thick M10 washers, which are now coming in very handy as I had to lose the original very long drive side 2nd locknut/spacer and replace it with 3 washers and thin locknut.
Hubs sounds excellent, super smooth, and drops into the frame like it should, OLD is dead on.
Somewhat bizarre was the total lack of wear in the races built in to the axle, no visible wear, must be Kryptonite.
Hubs sounds excellent, super smooth, and drops into the frame like it should, OLD is dead on.
Somewhat bizarre was the total lack of wear in the races built in to the axle, no visible wear, must be Kryptonite.
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As mentioned, a more upright steering angle would be ok for technical stuff at low speeds, so even if the frame was slightly tweaked back from an old accident, it still looks totally usable/enjoyable.
Trials bikes have nearly vertical forks - head angle - giving amazing maneuverability at low speeds, where's a big "chopper" all raked out has great high speed stability but low speed virtually none.
Most of my riding on this might be just around the place under 10mph so a little less "rake" will be fine, if not better, custom by crash.
However the forks look dead original and unbent, so they would have to be really stout to transfer enough impact to the frame to alter the geometry of the head tube without bending the forks.
Originally this probably had steel wheel?
Would they transfer more impact than light alloys like Araya?
Trials bikes have nearly vertical forks - head angle - giving amazing maneuverability at low speeds, where's a big "chopper" all raked out has great high speed stability but low speed virtually none.
Most of my riding on this might be just around the place under 10mph so a little less "rake" will be fine, if not better, custom by crash.
However the forks look dead original and unbent, so they would have to be really stout to transfer enough impact to the frame to alter the geometry of the head tube without bending the forks.
Originally this probably had steel wheel?
Would they transfer more impact than light alloys like Araya?
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Yes, the hub's cups, commonly called bearing races in ball bearing applications, although we have "cones" on the axle, in a caged situation both inner/outer parts are races.

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However, a hub and an axle are two different parts - and you did refer above to "races built in to the axle", not the hub.
While there are some bike applications (e.g., cup and cone bottom bracket axles, often also referred to as spindles - some accepted definitions of "axle" allow an axle to rotate) that do indeed have integrated races (cones), I've never seen that type of axle used in a freewheel hub. Hence my question.
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We acquired a couple of "mountain bikes" that had been severely front-ended - I tied each bike between two cars and pulled it straight, both frame and fork at once. I wouldn't try that with a bike that was built with good quality hard steel tubing, but these bikes were made of cheese and didn't mind.
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Well aware of the fact that both cups and cones are technically bearing races, thanks.
However, a hub and an axle are two different parts - and you did refer above to "races built in to the axle", not the hub.
While there are some bike applications (e.g., cup and cone bottom bracket axles, often also referred to as spindles - some accepted definitions of "axle" allow an axle to rotate) that do indeed have integrated races (cones), I've never seen that type of axle used in a freewheel hub. Hence my question.
However, a hub and an axle are two different parts - and you did refer above to "races built in to the axle", not the hub.
While there are some bike applications (e.g., cup and cone bottom bracket axles, often also referred to as spindles - some accepted definitions of "axle" allow an axle to rotate) that do indeed have integrated races (cones), I've never seen that type of axle used in a freewheel hub. Hence my question.
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Was kinda hoping you were being literal, though. Always like to see something novel - and that would have qualified.
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Axle is together now, dealing with shifting issues and wheel straightness, need to replace some frozen spokes on the freewheel side so waiting on Park FR1 tool in mail.
Anyone sitting on a gross of unneeded 15ga-1.8 310mm spokes?
I don't care for the double butted DB Smith spokes I received in the mail, too modern looking, too flexible.
Anyone sitting on a gross of unneeded 15ga-1.8 310mm spokes?
I don't care for the double butted DB Smith spokes I received in the mail, too modern looking, too flexible.
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But instead, I'll let you pay Amazon and eBay 7.99 plus shipping for a .50 cent part.
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FBinNY, your answers are super helpful and I appreciate your posts. That said, "in like Flint" hits me right in the OCD.
It's "In like Flynn". The phrase ‘In Like Flynn’ means that you have been quickly and / or emphatically successful, often in a romantic context. Example of Use: “How was your date with Sue?” Answer: “I was in like Flynn.” 'In like Flynn' is a direct reference to actor Errol Flynn, who was famous for his romantic roles in Hollywood films as well as for his exciting, romantic private life. That last sentence is off the web and significantly understates the, errrr, "excitement" (unless you find the accusation of statuatory **** of a 15 and a 17 year old "exciting").
Anyway, my task of reviewing the internet and correcting errors (some of the stuff on the internet is wrong! I know!) continues.
It's "In like Flynn". The phrase ‘In Like Flynn’ means that you have been quickly and / or emphatically successful, often in a romantic context. Example of Use: “How was your date with Sue?” Answer: “I was in like Flynn.” 'In like Flynn' is a direct reference to actor Errol Flynn, who was famous for his romantic roles in Hollywood films as well as for his exciting, romantic private life. That last sentence is off the web and significantly understates the, errrr, "excitement" (unless you find the accusation of statuatory **** of a 15 and a 17 year old "exciting").
Anyway, my task of reviewing the internet and correcting errors (some of the stuff on the internet is wrong! I know!) continues.
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Lol lol lol
In like Flint ;]
I grew up on Erol, that swashbuckling hero. I remember feeling particularly gay leaving the theater, in the literal sense, euphoric.
In like Flint ;]
I grew up on Erol, that swashbuckling hero. I remember feeling particularly gay leaving the theater, in the literal sense, euphoric.
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I know that you're right in the general sense. However, old as I am, I'm not old enough to be a Flynn fan. I am (was) a James Coburn fan, so I prefer his Movies' play on the phrase.
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Touché, FB. I salute you and apologize for missing your lead.
I had to look up what ZOWIE stood for....
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Ah, I completely missed that! Errol was before my time - I'm much more in the Coburn time frame myself. "In Like Flint". 1967. In which Z.O.W.I.E. is discredited and our heros defeat the evil feminists (all of whom are incredibly well put together, and often appear in bikinis and mini-skirts - muy feminista!). They don't make them like that any more.
Touché, FB. I salute you and apologize for missing your lead.
I had to look up what ZOWIE stood for....
Touché, FB. I salute you and apologize for missing your lead.
I had to look up what ZOWIE stood for....
