Wandering gears!
Hi,
The chain on my bike has the tendancy to 'wander' over the smallest 3 or 4 cassette cogs. That is, once changed it will suddenly change up/down irrespective of chain loading. Changes to the largest cogs in the cassette are rock solid. I have tried tweaking the trim on the handle bar changers to no avail and sometimes its fine. Just annoying and make changes to the smaller cogs much more tentative!! The cassette is new and the chain is nearly new (gauge shows its ok). The gear change is precise and the chain does not skip or slip over any cogs. The bottom bracket creaks but has no appreciable left<->right play and the freewheel hub that mounts the cassette only has slight play. The (sora hg9 speed) derailleur does have some 'slop' in the cage that houses the jockey wheels. That said, the derailleur and freewheel hub have about the same movement as my wifes new bike drive change components I'm sure if I brought new chain, derailleur, cassette and freewheel hub the problem would go way! However, I'd welcome some advice in narrowing down the issue to the right component 🙂 Many thanks Nick |
Did you replace cables? Get derailleur hanger aligned?
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Originally Posted by dedhed
(Post 22772799)
Did you replace cables? Get derailleur hanger aligned?
Err, not sure about hanger alignment? It's a cast Ali bracket that's bolted onto the frame in a fixed recess position. Thanks for replying 👍 |
Originally Posted by nicktf
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Err, not sure about hanger alignment? It's a cast Ali bracket that's bolted onto the frame in a fixed recess position.
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Before throwing more $ at this bike I would suggest letting someone with more experience have a look at it. Not because the bike isn't worth much but more to the hope of only replacing/fixing what's wrong and not blindly buy and replace otherwise well working parts. Andy
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Originally Posted by nicktf
(Post 22772926)
Yes, cable is Teflon coated and really smooth in operation.
Err, not sure about hanger alignment? It's a cast Ali bracket that's bolted onto the frame in a fixed recess position. Thanks for replying 👍 |
assuming 9 speed indexed.
hanger alignment critical overall sounds like rear derailler adjustment issues.... https://www.parktool.com/en-us/blog/...eur-adjustment |
Originally Posted by Andrew R Stewart
(Post 22773094)
Before throwing more $ at this bike I would suggest letting someone with more experience have a look at it. Not because the bike isn't worth much but more to the hope of only replacing/fixing what's wrong and not blindly buy and replace otherwise well working parts. Andy
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Originally Posted by dedhed
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do you have the correct spacers/spacing?
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start with adding more tension to the RD cable (with barrel adjuster / whatever)
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Nick,
When this "ghost shifting" has happened on my bikes, it's always been the derailleur hangar is out of alignment. I'd take it to a bike shop, they've fixed this issue a zillion times. |
Originally Posted by nicktf
(Post 22772926)
Err, not sure about hanger alignment? It's a cast Ali bracket that's bolted onto the frame in a fixed recess position.
After the hanger bends, your RD is no longer properly aligned and rear shifting suffers. With the proper tool, the hanger can often - but not always - be straightened and the RD realigned. If it can't be straightened enough, or if it cracks, it needs to be replaced. (Replacing it and keeping the old one for a spare after having both aligned is IMO the best option. Unfortunately, they're often very frame-specific and can be difficult to find, so that's not always an option.) Without the proper tool, it's rather difficult if not nearly impossible to align the RD hanger if bent. If you can't find another problem causing the issue, the advice above to have your RD alignment checked is in order. It may well still be in order if you find another problem and have fixed that, but in that case at least you'll have preempted a future issue by fixing the other problem. Best of luck. |
If it's not the derailer alignment, make sure the cassette lockring is tight. Dumb mechanic (me) put on a new cassette before a century and didn't tighten it down enough. 60 miles into the ride I had the symptoms you described. Banged the lockring back on (rock + nail) which got me to the next sag stop where a good mechanic (not me) tightenend it enough to last several thousand miles, until the cassette was worn out.
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Question for the OP- Can you be more specific as to how your wandering gears are acting. Specifically if you were to shift into the second smallest cog and make sure the cable tension is correct to center the guide pulley below that cog than go ride the bike with no more shifting would the gears still wander? This is an important detail that helps separate shift indexing from other possible issues. A bent der hanger won't cause wandering if the system was "corrected" for one cog and there's no more shifting tried.
Or does the wandering only happen after trying to shift to another cog? Besides der hanger alignment cable/casing friction and cable condition inside the lever are two very common reasons to have crappy shifting. Andy |
Its fine in the workstand, so nothing obviously wrong. Gears change crisply up/down and dont wander or skip. It seems to be induced by the loadings on the chain.
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Sounds familiar to me to, on a previous occasion!!
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Excellent idea, Thank you
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Thanks for the collective feeling that its something to do with the hangar/angle of the derailler.
I have had a much closer look and noticed that the lowest jockey wheel (closest to the road) in the derailler cage appears to have a slight 'twist' in it. The chain does not run centrally and leaves/enters this jockey wheel at an angle. The main body of the derailler appears to be true. I will explore further...... |
Originally Posted by nicktf
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Its fine in the workstand, so nothing obviously wrong. Gears change crisply up/down and dont wander or skip. It seems to be induced by the loadings on the chain.
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The smallest cogs are the furthest from the jockey pulley and have the least amount of derailleur spring tension. So as springs age and dirt/damage accumulate in the parallelogram pivots, upshifting can go to hell on the smallest cogs.
Spray lube the derailleur out, check for smooth cable operation and adjust the B screw to run the jockey pulley as close to largest cog as possible. |
"once changed it will suddenly change up/down irrespective of chain loading"
"It seems to be induced by the loadings on the chain." Both are the OP's I have a hard time reconciling these two statements. This is one of the reasons why I suggested a more experienced person to take a look. Cable friction issues can produce incomplete der movement (per index click) be it cable in casing or a frayed cable in shifter. This would also match the smaller cogs being where the problem is, as mentioned that's where the der parallelogram spring is at the lesser tension. But both a bent hanger and bad cables are easy to check for and quickly eliminate what is in good condition from the possible causes. Andy |
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