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Old 08-14-05, 10:51 AM
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To try to dig out of way too many flats in way too short a time, I have Armadillos on order at the LBS. At another LBS, Guy said that he no longer carries them, nor would he ever order them again because he's had too many problems with Armadillos "delaminating."

Everything I've read here is rave reviews for them. Guy at 1st LBS where I'm ordering said he's not aware of any issues with them.

I like the idea that the Kevlar liner extends fully from bead to bead unlike some others where the Kevlar lines only the tread surface. I'm diving in, and hoping I can bike gingerly until I can get them installed.

I appreciate you sharing your expertise. I've learned A LOT from this forum and you've made me look good! (Guy at 3rd LBS said I was doing everything right when I told him everything I did and checked changing flats. It's all because I've read up here!)

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Old 08-14-05, 11:07 AM
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I've heard nothing bad about Armadillos but they are heavy. Have you tried Schwalbe marathons which have a Kelvar belt and are good at minimising punctures.
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My Armadillos have been great with the exception of their harsh ride. I have recently heard the they(Specialized) have changed their 'formulation' for the tire. Perhaps this is causing the problems. I have just bought the pricey Continental Contact. The jury is still out. Much more comfortable than the Armadillos though a little slow for my taste. They are meant for touring so speed was not their intention. When I log a lot of miles I'll post comments. Charlie
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Old 08-14-05, 12:42 PM
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A friend of mine had his Armadillos shread at the beadline and the rear Armadillo on my tandem eventually split in the same area. I still run Armadillos on the bike that I use in urban areas or wherever I expect to find a lot of broken glass etc. Besides the split at the bead the only flat I've had using Armadillos was due to a BIG shard of glass that managed to puncture the tire right in the center of the tread.

The Armadillos stiff sidewalls tend to ride somewhat stiffly. Stiff sidewalls are also the receipt for relatively high rolling resistance but it's still nearly irrelivent compared with the energy required to push your torso through the air.
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Old 08-14-05, 04:35 PM
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A friend of mine said he was sorry he bought them because of the weight.
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Old 08-14-05, 05:36 PM
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The All Condition Armadillos have a problem with tread separation after about 2000 miles. The old discontinued Turbo Armadillos had the same problem. However, if you are using an MTB, the Hemisphere Armadillos and Nimbus Armadillos seem to be good. I must have about 3000 miles on a set of Hemispheres and no problem.

They are definitely flat resistant. I have gotten maybe 2 flats in may thousands of miles on Armadillos. Both flats were from wet glass.

By the way, if the tread begins to separate, you can glue it back down with silicone adhesive and get a lot more use from the tire. The casing will still be fine. It's just the outer tread layer that starts coming off.

You might also consider Continental Ultragatorskins. These are nearly as flat resistant as Armadillos and considerably lighter.
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Thanks for your many tips and viewpoints. You all rock!
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I've tried too many tires to list. Armadillos have such stiff sidewalls they could probably run flat

I like them only for winter riding- they are harsh (like winter)- and their reliability is nice when it is below zero. I switched to Continental 2000 wire beads on my commuter- they offer a marginally nicer ride, and they are much easier to mount than a 'dillo. Dillos are very difficult to mount on Italian rims.

Nobody buys them because they are light or have a nice ride.
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Old 08-15-05, 06:24 AM
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Originally Posted by filtersweep
I've tried too many tires to list. Armadillos have such stiff sidewalls they could probably run flat
very funny, but true
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Old 08-15-05, 07:55 AM
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Just finished off a pair of Armadillos after 3,700 miles. Yes, they are heavy. Yes, they are "ugly". On the last day of use I skidded and the rubber came loose form the tire, but I was still able to ride home (20+ miles) on the belt. My local specialized LBS did not have replacements in 23, so I chose gatorskins.
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I used Armadillos for about 5 years and wore many down to the cords and NEVER had a delaminating problem...BUT they did have that problem with some earlier models. More then likely since Specialize is like Trek in it's marketing, they probably withdrew their product line from the LBS you went to and now there some sour grapes involved.

By the way Schwalbe Marathons are actually heavier then Armadillos with their smallest size being 700x28 that weighs 510 grms vs Armadillos (who has a smaller 700x23 at 370grms) at only 456grms for the same 700x28.
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Old 08-15-05, 10:12 PM
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"Armadillo" is used to describe 8 different tires by specialized. Here's the data points:

infinity x32 659g treaded
nimbus x28 456g inverted treaded
all condition x28 456g slick

marathon x28 510g treaded
marathon x32 510g treaded
marathon plus x28 690g thumb tack proof tread
marathon slick x30 500g slick

I wouldn't suggest making a purchase decision based on 50g. Your own weight will vary more than that from day to day. The biggest advantage of armadillo is they are most likely in stock, where as schwalbe's are UPS order. I decided to give marathon a try because I heard about armadillo's harsh ride, and didn't know there were 8 different tires by that name, but it's way to early to give any reports other than no more flats.
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Originally Posted by YamacrawJ
Armadillos "delaminating."
Everything I've read here is rave reviews for them. Guy at 1st LBS where I'm ordering said he's not aware of any issues with them.
--- I am on my second set of Armadillos. I simply wore out the first set, they never delaminated. I think that was a problem back when they were first made.
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I can't resist this, I'm not trying to scare you away from Armadillo's since I have absolutely no experience with them. This happened on a tour in the San Juan Islands and the tube was replaced and the woman rode the rest of the week on this tire.

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Originally Posted by 77Univega
--- I am on my second set of Armadillos. I simply wore out the first set, they never delaminated. I think that was a problem back when they were first made.
I have had two sets of Armadillo tires (four tires total) suffer tread separation. The first was a pair of 700x25c Turbo Armadillos (no longer sold) purchased directly from Specialized in 2002. The second was a set of 27x1-1/4 All Condition Armadillos purchased directly from Specialized around March 2004. The All Condition Armadillos separated after less than a year. None of the tires was worn out when the tread separated.

In my experience, there is still a tread separation problem.
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Ran "Turbo" Armadillos on my 86 Trek 520 and never had a flat or any problem with the tires. In fact, best tires I've evr bought.
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I have about 1500 miles on a set of all conditions - still going strong, no worries. Did have one flat (glass), but that's way down from my previous flat count.
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I run the 32c Infinities on my 'Cross bike here in NYC. They are indeed very heavy, but also very bombproof. The big drawback is that they are a struggle to get on and off the rim due to the bead. They'll work fine until this winter when I throw on my 'cross tires, but I don't care to use them again afterwards.
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Maybe bombproof but not bulletproof. Specialized had some ad a couple decades ago with a speeding bullet heading towards their kevlar-belted tyre (it was called something other than Armadillo back then). So after my first set wore out after 5000 miles (with rotation), I put them to the test. I hung it up on a tree and aimed the smallest gun I had, a Ruger 10-22 at it so that it'd go through both treads. Then I thought better of it as the tyre might actually grab the bullet and fling it back. So I nailed the tyre flat to a 2x4 and fired... BAMM! Nope, it wasn't bulletproof by a large margin (I should've used a 4x4). But they were certainly the best tyres I've ever tried for training. Combined with some Mr. Tuffy tyre-liners and thorn-resistant tubes with slime, I never ever have to worry about flats. Besides, all that extra weight is good for training. Whenever I put my race wheels on, I fell like that Roman or Greek god with the wings on his ankles!
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The ride is a bit stiff for me. I just ride the Nimbus with the flack jacket protection anymore. There a few dollars less, give a better ride and I still get enough protection.
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I've run a set of Armadillo Infinity 700X35's for about 4 months - put about 2200 miles on them. I've noticed my front tire is delaminating...It has developed a bubble which I expect to rip open soon.

I like them enough that I bought another set (on order) even though they are a bear to mount. Makes me pray I don't get a flat, since it could take me a 1/2 hour to get the tire off, repair the tube, and get the tire back on

Has anyone had them replaced under the one year warranty that Specialized has?
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Old 09-15-05, 08:16 PM
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I had a pair of Armadillo 700Cx28s on the PKN-10. If you don't maintain high pressure (circa 100PSI) at all times, the sidewalls break down prematurely. I retired the rear, moved the front to the rear, and put a new Conti Ultra 2000 (also labeled 700Cx28, but very noticeably narrower) on the front.

The Armadillos are heavy and otherwise definitely not high performance, but they are indeed reasonably puncture resistant.
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I too had delam problems with no less than 4 of the tires. I heard from a specialized dealer that they DID have problems in the past with them but that they fixed said problems.
I am VERY happy with my conti TT tires.
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Originally Posted by Dougmt
I too had delam problems with no less than 4 of the tires. I heard from a specialized dealer that they DID have problems in the past with them but that they fixed said problems.
I am VERY happy with my conti TT tires.
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Despite what your Specialized dealer told you, they still have a tread separation problem with Armadillo road tires. It's very sad because these are tremendously flat resistant tires.
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We put armadillos on our tandem and absolutely love them. The back tire got changed first because the original tire had a bad time on a gravel road (long story!). The front one was changed about 6 months later. Before we put the armadillos on, we changed a tube every 200 miles or so. With the new tires, I think we got 800+ miles on a patched tube! The rear tube did start to delaminate a bit on one side, though we put another 200 miles on it before I took it into the lbs. I showed them the tire and asked if that was supposed to happen, and they said they had never seen that before (I bought the armadillos from them to begin with). They shipped it back to specialized and replaced it at no charge and said it should fall under Specialized's tire warranty.

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