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Radial arrows; longer equates to higher force and stress; bearing balls and cones spall sooner. Also, lack of preload causes ball skidding and scoring. Both were observed on my bicycle ball bearings and wheel cones before implementing preload; wheel hubs, bottom bracket, and pedal spindles especially, clicking was ball skidding. Not other application, but bicycle ball bearings. After replacing balls and cones, and using and maintaining preload, neither spalling nor scoring has reoccurred, now many multiples past previous maintenance intervals with all bearings feeling great. BB spindle was spalled; reversed and rotated with respect to crank to take load off spalled area, used proper preload, and was still doing great after years when I removed to upgrade to hollow-spindle design with external bearings, and have maintained preload on that.
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Your actual experience is that you thought you were preloading angular contact bearings, and you weren't. Because you don't know all sorts of stuff about bikes, like how the loads are too small to require the preloading that industrial uses call for.Originally Posted by Duragrouch
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Radial arrows; longer equates to higher force and stress; bearing balls and cones spall sooner. Also, lack of preload causes ball skidding and scoring. Both were observed on my bicycle ball bearings and wheel cones before implementing preload; wheel hubs, bottom bracket, and pedal spindles especially, clicking was ball skidding. Not other application, but bicycle ball bearings. After replacing balls and cones, and using and maintaining preload, neither spalling nor scoring has reoccurred, now many multiples past previous maintenance intervals with all bearings feeling great. BB spindle was spalled; reversed and rotated with respect to crank to take load off spalled area, used proper preload, and was still doing great after years when I removed to upgrade to hollow-spindle design with external bearings, and have maintained preload on that.
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What're you talking about? Bike cup and cone hubs, cup and cone bottom bracket, cup and cone pedal spindles, are ALL angular contact. My newer hollow spindle crank has an end cap that specifies the torque for preload, so it's also angular contact bearings.Originally Posted by Kontact
Your actual experience is that you thought you were preloading angular contact bearings, and you weren't. Because you don't know all sorts of stuff about bikes, like how the loads are too small to require the preloading that industrial uses call for.
If the preload makes no difference, then why were the bearing balls and cones spalling and scoring when I had no preload, then with new parts and preload, not at all, for over 5 years now, way longer than before? The bearing manufacturer technical instructions described exactly my failure modes before, and how to prevent, and it worked fabulously. When all else fails, follow the manufacturer instructions.
Hub with twin cartridge bearings? I don't know if angular contact and if takes any preload, I haven't worked on them yet.
The pro bike tech at the better LBS here, we were discussing preload; For me, hubs are easy to adjust for preload, because my current bike has nutted axles that don't compress the whole axle. WYSIWYG. For QR axles, I use spacers with the QR closed to adjust for perfect preload. The tech, he follows Shimano instructions for QR axles, snug down cone on the balls and then back off a certain number of degrees, then lock down; When on the bike and QR locked down, he says it'll have the proper preload. I still do preload "directly" because there's such a tiny rotation difference between perfect preload and too tight or too loose.
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If the preload makes no difference, then why were the bearing balls and cones spalling and scoring when I had no preload, then with new parts and preload, not at all, for over 5 years now, way longer than before? The bearing manufacturer technical instructions described exactly my failure modes before, and how to prevent, and it worked fabulously. When all else fails, follow the manufacturer instructions.
Hub with twin cartridge bearings? I don't know if angular contact and if takes any preload, I haven't worked on them yet.
The pro bike tech at the better LBS here, we were discussing preload; For me, hubs are easy to adjust for preload, because my current bike has nutted axles that don't compress the whole axle. WYSIWYG. For QR axles, I use spacers with the QR closed to adjust for perfect preload. The tech, he follows Shimano instructions for QR axles, snug down cone on the balls and then back off a certain number of degrees, then lock down; When on the bike and QR locked down, he says it'll have the proper preload. I still do preload "directly" because there's such a tiny rotation difference between perfect preload and too tight or too loose.
Hollowtech II BBs are not angular contact and you've been told that before. You aren't preloading the bearing with the tiny plastic cap, you are removing all the spindle play caused by the rubber seals.Originally Posted by Duragrouch
What're you talking about? Bike cup and cone hubs, cup and cone bottom bracket, cup and cone pedal spindles, are ALL angular contact. My newer hollow spindle crank has an end cap that specifies the torque for preload, so it's also angular contact bearings.If the preload makes no difference, then why were the bearing balls and cones spalling and scoring when I had no preload, then with new parts and preload, not at all, for over 5 years now, way longer than before? The bearing manufacturer technical instructions described exactly my failure modes before, and how to prevent, and it worked fabulously. When all else fails, follow the manufacturer instructions.
Hub with twin cartridge bearings? I don't know if angular contact and if takes any preload, I haven't worked on them yet.
The pro bike tech at the better LBS here, we were discussing preload; For me, hubs are easy to adjust for preload, because my current bike has nutted axles that don't compress the whole axle. WYSIWYG. For QR axles, I use spacers with the QR closed to adjust for perfect preload. The tech, he follows Shimano instructions for QR axles, snug down cone on the balls and then back off a certain number of degrees, then lock down; When on the bike and QR locked down, he says it'll have the proper preload. I still do preload "directly" because there's such a tiny rotation difference between perfect preload and too tight or too loose.
Your "experience" with preload does not match that of any bike mechanic.




