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Old 12-20-05, 08:39 PM
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alternate form of internal rustproofing for steel frames?

I'm at home at my parents' place in Michigan, and am braving the cold by spending hours in the basement overhauling their bikes. Both nice, mid-90's welded steel frames, in good condition. But I figure as long as I've got the frames totally stripped of parts, I may as well rustproof the insides. Especially since these get overhauled once every 10 years. Only problem: my parents live in a rural small town, and there's no bike shops within an hour's drive, and I couldn't bring my can of frame saver on the flight b/c TSA regulations (understandable in this case, too). I stopped at a couple of bike shops in Detroit, but, no Frame Saver or T9 there.
There are 3-4 hardware stores here in town, and a Wal-Mart 20 minutes away. Are there any commercially-available (i.e., not just in bike shops) sprays that will work to rustproof the inside of a steel frame? Thanks.
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Find an auto parts store. Amsoil makes a product called HDMP "Heavy Duty Metal Protector" that is an absolute dead ringer for Weigel's Framesaver. It looks the same, smells the same, applies the same and dries the same. The only difference is you get twice as much for half the money.

I have a strong suspicion that Framesaver is just HDMP repackaged.
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Boiled linseed oil mixed with a bit of white spirits to help it slosh around a bit works quite well. Any hardware or paint store should carry linseed oil and white spirits.
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Originally Posted by HillRider
Find an auto parts store. Amsoil makes a product called HDMP "Heavy Duty Metal Protector" that is an absolute dead ringer for Weigel's Framesaver. It looks the same, smells the same, applies the same and dries the same. The only difference is you get twice as much for half the money.

I have a strong suspicion that Framesaver is just HDMP repackaged.
I'll check that out. thanks for the info.
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WD-40 applied annualy.
It's all I use here in sunny / salty Cleveland.

Enjoy
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WD-40 applied annualy.
Here we go again...
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Fish oil - You can get it in Oz in a spraycan for next to nothing. I'd expect they have it in the States.
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Fish oil - You can get it in Oz in a spraycan for next to nothing. I'd expect they have it in the States.
I guess it prevents rust but how do you keep the cats away from your bike?
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Originally Posted by Ziemas
Boiled linseed oil mixed with a bit of white spirits to help it slosh around a bit works quite well. Any hardware or paint store should carry linseed oil and white spirits.
this sounds like a good idea (and prob cheaper than those aerosol environment destroying cans)...

although my frame has a hole in the bottom to allow for the moisture to release, I would like to do mine soon.
is the white spirits absolutely necessary tho?
I'd like to avoid that stuff at all costs...

linseed oil is dangerous enough...
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Originally Posted by teiaperigosa
...linseed oil is dangerous enough...
What????
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The active ingredient in most of the rust inhibitors is phosphoric acid, which reacts with iron oxide to form a non-rusting compound. There are marine and auto applications of this, like Osphocote (sp?). I haven't used it but I plan to next time I have my bike apart. Just check for reaction with the paint.
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T9 Boeshield is a great chain lube and works well to prevent rust in frames... I believe thats why Boeing orginally developed it, was to prevent corrosion on airplanes.
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Originally Posted by teiaperigosa
linseed oil is dangerous enough...
Do you know how many people intentionally ingest linseed oil every day????



Flax seed oil which many people take for the beneficial Omega fatty acids is linseed oil.

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Originally Posted by seely
I believe thats why Boeing orginally developed it, was to prevent corrosion on airplanes.
Yes, but to prevent corrosion in Aluminum, not steel.
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WD-40 should work, as wd-40 was developed as a Water Displacer/Rust preventative.

I just pour an ounce or two of motor oil into my steel frames with a funnel and tube system, and shake it all around.
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On Boeshield T-9, Rivendell recommends and uses it for rustproofing steel frames, so I'd trust that it works, even if it was developed for aluminum. Whatever one thinks about Riv, there's no question that they care about their steel frames lasting!
That said, I noted in my OP that I wasn't able to get ahold of Frame Saver or T9.
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Originally Posted by HillRider
I guess it prevents rust but how do you keep the cats away from your bike?
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I have the view that steel frames rusting out are an extremely rare occurrence. If these are your parents' bikes, then they probably only ridden a few times a year, in good weather, then the frame rusting out should not be a concern unless your parents store their bikes in the ocean.

In short- Don't worry about it. Tell your parents to keep their chains oiled.
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Originally Posted by dgregory57
Do you know how many people intentionally ingest linseed oil every day????



Flax seed oil which many people take for the beneficial Omega fatty acids is linseed oil.


leave a linseed oil soaked rag bunched up next to your head when you go to sleep tonight...

see what happens
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Originally Posted by BostonFixed
I have the view that steel frames rusting out are an extremely rare occurrence. If these are your parents' bikes, then they probably only ridden a few times a year, in good weather, then the frame rusting out should not be a concern unless your parents store their bikes in the ocean.

In short- Don't worry about it. Tell your parents to keep their chains oiled.
don't mean to be snide, but...your assuming everyone's parents are/were bike posers cause yours are/were?

and even if a frame wasn't riden at all and is pristinely new, if one is going to from now on ride a bike in rain/snow, etc...it really doesn't matter what the F happened to the bike in the past...
taking care of it (preventing rust) is gonna help it last longer
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Originally Posted by teiaperigosa
leave a linseed oil soaked rag bunched up next to your head when you go to sleep tonight...

see what happens
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I did get the Amsoil HDMP - it was here at a boat-parts and mechanic place. Good stuff. I think it might be closer to T9 than to frame saver, given that it's recommended as a chain lube, but it does look and smell exactly like Frame Saver... it's pretty close to the same stuff, even if it's not quite the same.

@bostonfixed: I think you're right that frames rusting out is a rare occurance, esp. for non-commuter bikes, though. This is more of a precaution than anything.

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Originally Posted by bostonfixed
I have the view that steel frames rusting out are an extremely rare occurrence. If these are your parents' bikes, then they probably only ridden a few times a year, in good weather, then the frame rusting out should not be a concern unless your parents store their bikes in the ocean.

In short- Don't worry about it. Tell your parents to keep their chains oiled.
My parents do around 1,000 miles per year, both have nice welded steel road bikes. Usually in good weather, but sometimes they get caught in the rain while on long rides. They're 50 years old, but you wouldn't guess it.

Here's some shots of my family. My parents are the oldest-looking ones there, but most people who don't know my family see the pics and ask, "where are your parents," or remark about how many siblings I have. (I have three siblings, for the record.)




And, some shots of when my mom flew down to visit NC and we did some long bike rides together. (She borrowed one of my friends' bikes.)

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Originally Posted by timcupery
I did get the Amsoil HDMP - it was here at a boat-parts and mechanic place. Good stuff. I think it might be closer to T9 than to frame saver, given that it's recommended as a chain lube, but it does look and smell exactly like Frame Saver... it's pretty close to the same stuff, even if it's not quite the same...
Yes, they recommend it as a chain lube for motorcycle chains and a wire rope lube too but the can also specifically recommends it as an undercoating which is why I bought it the first time. I couldn't find a local source for Weigels, which I have used in the past, and I was in a hurry. When I started to use the HDMP I was astounded how much it resembled the Weigels stuff. Use it with confidence. It will work well.
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Originally Posted by HillRider
Find an auto parts store. Amsoil makes a product called HDMP "Heavy Duty Metal Protector" that is an absolute dead ringer for Weigel's Framesaver. It looks the same, smells the same, applies the same and dries the same. The only difference is you get twice as much for half the money.

I have a strong suspicion that Framesaver is just HDMP repackaged.
If you have a NAPA store nearby, they sell stuff that is a deadringer for Weigel's Framesaver for about the same price.
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