Huret "Jubilee" derailleur: blast from the past
12-27-05, 11:26 AM
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Huret "Jubilee" derailleur: blast from the past
Until someone mentioned Sachs-Huret I had completely forgotten for almost 30 years that I had retro-fitted my old Falcon bike with a Huret "Jubilee" rear derailleur and also possibly the front one as well.
Back in the 70's the Jubilee was the lightest derailleur made and it was oh, so pretty! As pretty....if not more pretty...than the Nuovo Record (ducking).
"Memories...like the corners of my mind..."
Back in the 70's the Jubilee was the lightest derailleur made and it was oh, so pretty! As pretty....if not more pretty...than the Nuovo Record (ducking).
"Memories...like the corners of my mind..."
12-27-05, 02:13 PM
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What's more don't you wish you had a couple of those in NOS condition about now? Check out what those things are going for on ebay these days. 
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Originally Posted by The Pontificato
Until someone mentioned Sachs-Huret I had completely forgotten for almost 30 years that I had retro-fitted my old Falcon bike with a Huret "Jubilee" rear derailleur and also possibly the front one as well.
Back in the 70's the Jubilee was the lightest derailleur made...
Back in the 70's the Jubilee was the lightest derailleur made...
I've got one hanging around that I plan to use for a chain tensioner so I can use a double chainring setup with a Nexus 8 hub. (Although the Jubilee is light and pretty, it has a reputation for fairly wretched shifting performance...but I wouldn't be shifting it!)
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12-27-05, 03:44 PM
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I don't remember much about that derailleur except I bought one and I think I installed in on my bike towards the end of my interest in cycling (as a teen). I don't remember how well it shifted.
12-27-05, 04:46 PM
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The "lightest bike in the world" sports a reconstructed Huret, in fact.
https://www.m2racer.com/info.php?entry=bike
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12-27-05, 05:29 PM
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<(Although the Jubilee is light and pretty, it has a reputation for fairly wretched shifting performance...but I wouldn't be shifting it!)>
Not the Sachs-Huret Jubilee I have (within the last two years of production). It works as fine as Superbe Pro or Ultegra in friction mode. Limitied to 28t though.
Not the Sachs-Huret Jubilee I have (within the last two years of production). It works as fine as Superbe Pro or Ultegra in friction mode. Limitied to 28t though.
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I just dug up some old mechs I had in a box. Some old Huret, and some old Campy Valentino stuff - like this https://www.classicrendezvous.com/Ita..._Valent_rd.htm and this https://homepage3.nifty.com/passhunte...huret/rda4.htm and this https://i2.ebayimg.com/02/i/05/05/f7/b3_1_b.JPG
I suppose I should start unloading this stuff, eh?
I suppose I should start unloading this stuff, eh?
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"Wretched" shifting performance? Not at all. I have a '75 Grand Jubile that I still ride, and the jubilee shifts as smooth as you could want, if you keep it lubricated, clean, etc.
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Originally Posted by aluminumsuperbr
"Wretched" shifting performance? Not at all. I have a '75 Grand Jubile that I still ride, and the jubilee shifts as smooth as you could want, if you keep it lubricated, clean, etc.
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I still have the original Huret on my early 70's Raleigh Record. Like Sheldon says, the shifting is wretched. My son plans on riding that bike this spring so I'm thinking of changing it with a Shimano friction unit and replacing the down tube shifters with stem.
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I'd keep the down-tube shifters - stem is convenient but not if you go over the handlebars and shifters catch your crotch. And down-tube is just so simple, mechanically.
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Originally Posted by HillRider
Just out of curiosity, what type of freewheel or cassette are you using with it? If it shifts well, the shaped and contoured teeth on the newest cassette/freewheel designs can be largely responsible.
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Originally Posted by timcupery
I'd keep the down-tube shifters - stem is convenient but not if you go over the handlebars and shifters catch your crotch. And down-tube is just so simple, mechanically.
This is always the argument I hear against stem shifters. Do you really spend that much time going over the bars? When you do, is it really a matter of a few centimeters clearance?
This smacks of people looking for a reason to hate on stem shifters. I like DT shifters because I think they look elegant, the shifting action is somehow very visceral, and they're quite convenient if you spend your time in the drops.
That said, if someone spends most of their time on the top of the bars, stem shifters may very well make fine sense and should work a-ok. Mechanically, they're just as simple.
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Originally Posted by bostontrevor
What's the deal [with hating on stem shifters]?
This is always the argument I hear against stem shifters. Do you really spend that much time going over the bars? When you do, is it really a matter of a few centimeters clearance?
This smacks of people looking for a reason to hate on stem shifters. I like DT shifters because I think they look elegant, the shifting action is somehow very visceral, and they're quite convenient if you spend your time in the drops.
That said, if someone spends most of their time on the top of the bars, stem shifters may very well make fine sense and should work a-ok. Mechanically, they're just as simple.
This is always the argument I hear against stem shifters. Do you really spend that much time going over the bars? When you do, is it really a matter of a few centimeters clearance?
This smacks of people looking for a reason to hate on stem shifters. I like DT shifters because I think they look elegant, the shifting action is somehow very visceral, and they're quite convenient if you spend your time in the drops.
That said, if someone spends most of their time on the top of the bars, stem shifters may very well make fine sense and should work a-ok. Mechanically, they're just as simple.
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Originally Posted by bostontrevor
This is always the argument I hear against stem shifters. Do you really spend that much time going over the bars? When you do, is it really a matter of a few centimeters clearance?
This smacks of people looking for a reason to hate on stem shifters. I like DT shifters because I think they look elegant, the shifting action is somehow very visceral, and they're quite convenient if you spend your time in the drops.
That said, if someone spends most of their time on the top of the bars, stem shifters may very well make fine sense and should work a-ok. Mechanically, they're just as simple.
This smacks of people looking for a reason to hate on stem shifters. I like DT shifters because I think they look elegant, the shifting action is somehow very visceral, and they're quite convenient if you spend your time in the drops.
That said, if someone spends most of their time on the top of the bars, stem shifters may very well make fine sense and should work a-ok. Mechanically, they're just as simple.
If someone spends most of the time on the top of the bars, it indicates that the bike is not properly adjusted, or that the rider has a riding style unsuited to drop bars.
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Originally Posted by Sheldon Brown
That's not the only argument against [stem shifters].
If someone spends most of the time on the top of the bars, it indicates that the bike is not properly adjusted, or that the rider has a riding style unsuited to drop bars.
If someone spends most of the time on the top of the bars, it indicates that the bike is not properly adjusted, or that the rider has a riding style unsuited to drop bars.
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Originally Posted by timcupery
Except that, most road bikes sold today have the bars low enough that the drops are not a comfortable place for people to ride; people now spend most of their time on the tops and the brake hoods, which are often tilted back/upwards to almost be like bullhorns. I'm not saying that this is proper bike fit (though pros usually have their bikes like this too - using the drops only for springs and on breaks), but it's how most people ride these days. And why most people (who aren't nearly as flexible as the pros, and who don't get professional massages every evening) never use their drops.
I reiterate, if you spend most or all of the time on the tops it indicates an error in fit.
Riders on properly fitted bikes spend most of their time on the brake hoods. That is the normal cruising position for a properly adjusted bike with drop bars.
The fact that lots of bikes are set up with poor fit doesn't mean that anybody needs to accept this. It isn't that difficult to fix this.
See my article on this topic: https://sheldonbrown.com/handsup
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