Short or Long cage der.
I did a search to try and find out what I need, but the discussion on derailleurs was way over my head. Can anyone tell me which kind I need for a Surly Cross Check with 52-42-30 ring and 12-27 cog? The previous derailleur was a Deore LX. Thanks in advance.
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You will need a long cage.
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What, may i ask, is the difference between a short and a long cage?
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Originally Posted by Flak
What, may i ask, is the difference between a short and a long cage?
The example given was 52 and 30 front chainrings = 22 teeth difference. and 12/27 cassette = 15 teeth difference. Together you ideally need 37 chain links of wrap up capacity. Shimano short arm derailleurs are rated to wrap up 29 links of chain and long arm derailleurs are rated at 37 links of chain. |
However, I'm running an XT long-cage rear derailer with an excess of 49-50 links.
I can't shift onto the smallest five rear sprockets when using the granny, but that's the only problem. And it's not even a problem, since those combinations are duplicated using better combinations. |
Originally Posted by CdCf
However, I'm running an XT long-cage rear derailer with an excess of 49-50 links.
I can't shift onto the smallest five rear sprockets when using the granny, but that's the only problem. And it's not even a problem, since those combinations are duplicated using better combinations. |
Originally Posted by Deanster04
You will need a long cage.
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Originally Posted by HillRider
Originally Posted by CdCf
However, I'm running an XT long-cage rear derailer with an excess of 49-50 links.
I can't shift onto the smallest five rear sprockets when using the granny, but that's the only problem. And it's not even a problem, since those combinations are duplicated using better combinations. |
I've never dropped the chain - honestly!
I simply never shift into the slack combos. What would be cool though, is a telescopic arm/cage, with capacity for a significantly longer range than the larger models offered today. If I'd been into metalworking and welding, I'd have modified one myself. The spring seems plenty strong enough to handle a longer moment arm. |
okay, heres a related question. Heres my drivetrain specs as of now.
Cassett:SRAM PG-850 - 12-25T - 8-spd chain: Shimano/KMC HG-50 Narrow crankset: TruVativ Touro Triple - 52/42/30T I have a Sora RD (long) and am going to put on a Ultegra RD (short) do I need to remove links? If so, what is the formula used to figure how many links need to be removed. |
Originally Posted by CdCf
I've never dropped the chain - honestly!
I simply never shift into the slack combos. What would be cool though, is a telescopic arm/cage, with capacity for a significantly longer range than the larger models offered today. If I'd been into metalworking and welding, I'd have modified one myself. The spring seems plenty strong enough to handle a longer moment arm. I was toying with the idea of extending a cage and have seen, actually, one extended through welding. In the end, however, I have built a tensioner on the return side, see: http://www.bikeforums.net/attachment...achmentid=2742 I now ride with a 49T fully tensioned range. I have only used a saw, file and a drill. With your experience, you might produce something slicker. |
Hey, that's not a bad idea at all! But how do you cope with the changing chain line?
And, out of curiosity, since we seem to have the same "excess" chain length, what is your front and rear setup? Mine is a 22-32-48 in front and an 11-34 in the rear. |
Originally Posted by CdCf
Hey, that's not a bad idea at all! But how do you cope with the changing chain line?
I ride with a setup like this for nearly a full year now. As my confidence in the practicality of the arrangement grew, I have been upgrading the quality of the setup's elements. Right now, I should be close to the end.
Originally Posted by CdCf
And, out of curiosity, since we seem to have the same "excess" chain length, what is your front and rear setup?
Mine is a 22-32-48 in front and an 11-34 in the rear. |
20T granny? Not with Shimano, right?
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Originally Posted by CdCf
20T granny? Not with Shimano, right?
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The middle one? A 32...
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Originally Posted by CdCf
The middle one? A 32...
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Ah... :D
Shimano, 104/64 BCD. |
Originally Posted by joetronic
okay, heres a related question. Heres my drivetrain specs as of now.
Cassett:SRAM PG-850 - 12-25T - 8-spd chain: Shimano/KMC HG-50 Narrow crankset: TruVativ Touro Triple - 52/42/30T I have a Sora RD (long) and am going to put on a Ultegra RD (short) do I need to remove links? If so, what is the formula used to figure how many links need to be removed. To size your chain for the big/big combination, wrap the chain around the two biggest sprickets bypassing the rear derailleur. Add 2 links (one inch) of chain. The answer is the same regardless of derailleur cage length. |
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