Go Back  Bike Forums > Bike Forums > Bicycle Mechanics
Reload this Page >

Slipping Seatpost...Driving Me NUTS!

Search
Notices
Bicycle Mechanics Broken bottom bracket? Tacoed wheel? If you're having problems with your bicycle, or just need help fixing a flat, drop in here for the latest on bicycle mechanics & bicycle maintenance.

Slipping Seatpost...Driving Me NUTS!

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old 05-24-06, 03:47 PM
  #1  
Dances a jig.
Thread Starter
 
Mchaz's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: Central, Ok
Posts: 402

Bikes: 2007 Surly Long Haul Trucker 54cm (Commuting/Wanna' go tour so bad), 1985 Trek 670 21" (Road), 2003 Gary Fisher Tassajara 17" (MTB), Cannondale DeltaV 600 (commuterized MTB), some junker bikes in my garage

Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Slipping Seatpost...Driving Me NUTS!

So here's my conundrum. I have a vintage Reynold's 531 frame, and a forged aluminum seatpost. The seatpost does not want to stay where I put it. It will slip down until it hits the bracket for my tail-light. I know you might say, move the bracket down to keep the seatpost from slipping, but I would like to fix the problem legitimately. I have tried wiping the grease off as well as I could to no avail.

So what are some of your solutions to a slipping seatpost?

By the way, I tried a search and pretty much all of the threads had to do with slipping carbon posts.
Mchaz is offline  
Old 05-24-06, 03:51 PM
  #2  
THIS SPACE FOR RENT
 
Join Date: Jan 2006
Posts: 2,849
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 1 Time in 1 Post
are you sure the diameter is right? There are a lot of odd ones out there
Landgolier is offline  
Old 05-24-06, 04:10 PM
  #3  
Senior Member
 
late's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2002
Location: Southern Maine
Posts: 8,941
Mentioned: 130 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 12192 Post(s)
Liked 1,496 Times in 1,108 Posts
There is a plumber's tool designed to burl pipe. It's an extreme solution, as the
tooth-like grooves will dig into the steel. But it does work.
late is offline  
Old 05-24-06, 04:16 PM
  #4  
Sensible shoes.
 
CastIron's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: St. Paul,MN
Posts: 8,798

Bikes: A few.

Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 4 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Scuff it up with a steel brush.
__________________
Mike
Originally Posted by cedricbosch
It looks silly when you have quotes from other forum members in your signature. Nobody on this forum is that funny.
Originally Posted by cedricbosch
Why am I in your signature.
CastIron is offline  
Old 05-24-06, 04:38 PM
  #5  
Dances a jig.
Thread Starter
 
Mchaz's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: Central, Ok
Posts: 402

Bikes: 2007 Surly Long Haul Trucker 54cm (Commuting/Wanna' go tour so bad), 1985 Trek 670 21" (Road), 2003 Gary Fisher Tassajara 17" (MTB), Cannondale DeltaV 600 (commuterized MTB), some junker bikes in my garage

Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Originally Posted by Landgolier
are you sure the diameter is right? There are a lot of odd ones out there
Yes. It is the original post. Though I have a theory that over the years the seatpost could have been ground down a little at a time, so now it is just slightly too small.

Last edited by Mchaz; 05-24-06 at 04:47 PM.
Mchaz is offline  
Old 05-24-06, 05:44 PM
  #6  
hunter, gatherer
 
coelcanth's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2005
Posts: 1,183
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts
the quick and dirty way, without the special knurling tool, is just to rough it up with some coarse sandpaper
coelcanth is offline  
Old 05-24-06, 07:01 PM
  #7  
Senior Member
 
Grand Bois's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: Pinole, CA, USA
Posts: 17,392
Mentioned: 24 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 443 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 27 Times in 25 Posts
knurling raises the surface and increases diameter. Brushes and sandpaper can only remove material. Roughing up the surface doesn't help much, in my experience.

I had a cheap Kalloy laprade seatpost that was a loose fit, even though it was the correct size. When I loosened the clamp, it would drop until it hit a water bottle bolt. The Control Tech I replaced it with is supposed to be the same size, but is a snug fit.

Last edited by Grand Bois; 05-24-06 at 09:39 PM.
Grand Bois is offline  
Old 05-24-06, 07:05 PM
  #8  
cab horn
 
Join Date: Jun 2004
Location: Toronto
Posts: 28,353

Bikes: 1987 Bianchi Campione

Mentioned: 1 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 42 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 26 Times in 19 Posts
Take a heneiken can, cut it out, wrap seatpost and reinsert. Enjoy.
operator is offline  
Old 05-24-06, 07:16 PM
  #9  
Senior Member
 
iNewton's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: Baie-Comeau, Québec
Posts: 600

Bikes: Specialized Roubaix Comp '06

Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Originally Posted by operator
Take a heneiken can, cut it out, wrap seatpost and reinsert. Enjoy.
I heard bud light works as well, and it's cheaper.

You do have to drink it, though, so I'd go ahead and recommend heneiken as well.
iNewton is offline  
Old 05-24-06, 08:50 PM
  #10  
Dances a jig.
Thread Starter
 
Mchaz's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: Central, Ok
Posts: 402

Bikes: 2007 Surly Long Haul Trucker 54cm (Commuting/Wanna' go tour so bad), 1985 Trek 670 21" (Road), 2003 Gary Fisher Tassajara 17" (MTB), Cannondale DeltaV 600 (commuterized MTB), some junker bikes in my garage

Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Originally Posted by iNewton
I heard bud light works as well, and it's cheaper.

You do have to drink it, though, so I'd go ahead and recommend heneiken as well.
Hmm, a shim, novel idea. Though getting my hands on either Heniken or Bud Light might prove to be somewhat of a difficulty. A can would be easy, but since I have to drink it, maybe not so much. However, I know some college guys that might get me some.

Anways, I'll keep the aluminum can shim in mind. I have tossed around the idea of trying another post, but this bike is all original. I don't know if I want to break that. Haha.
Mchaz is offline  
Old 05-25-06, 12:18 AM
  #11  
hunter, gatherer
 
coelcanth's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2005
Posts: 1,183
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts
knurling can only remove material as well
but it also 'moves' it

it's the same idea with sandpaper
it raises the surface like the knurling tool but on a much smaller scale
in my experience it works quite well if the initial fit is not tooo loose
(forgo the grease too, in a pinch)

the knurling tool comes in handy in extreme or expensive last resort type cases, like increasing the fit on a fork crown seat rather than throw it out

a shim is sometimes useful when the seatpost is not the correct size,
but in this case it will probably be too thick
the seatpost is designed to be about .2mm smaller than the tube
i reckon a can will be around .4mm thick

no harm in experimenting


Originally Posted by Dirtdrop
knurling raises the surface and increases diameter. Brushes and sandpaper can only remove material. Roughing up the surface doesn't help much, in my experience.

I had a cheap Kalloy laprade seatpost that was a loose fit, even though it was the correct size. When I loosened the clamp, it would drop until it hit a water bottle bolt. The Control Tech I replaced it with is supposed to be the same size, but is a snug fit.
coelcanth is offline  
Old 05-25-06, 12:34 AM
  #12  
MrB
Newbie
 
Join Date: Mar 2006
Posts: 4
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts
If you definitely want to keep stock and the can is too thick, you may want to get your hands on a set of feeler gauges. You can buy a really cheap(2-3$) set at a place like Harbor Freight I'm sure. I think Sears has a set for 6$ though. Or if you are like me and have blacklisted the new Sears tool departments, any automotive parts place will have them.
MrB is offline  
Old 05-25-06, 07:04 AM
  #13  
Senior Member
 
Grand Bois's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: Pinole, CA, USA
Posts: 17,392
Mentioned: 24 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 443 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 27 Times in 25 Posts
Originally Posted by coelcanth
knurling can only remove material as well
but it also 'moves' it

it's the same idea with sandpaper
it raises the surface like the knurling tool but on a much smaller scale
Do you really believe that nonsense?
Knurling removes no material, it displaces it. Sanding does nothing but remove material.
Grand Bois is offline  
Old 05-25-06, 09:07 AM
  #14  
hunter, gatherer
 
coelcanth's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2005
Posts: 1,183
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts
wel you can stubbornly believe it's impossible
but i'll i sit on my seatpost.. cured from slipping because i scratched it wit some sandpaper
coelcanth is offline  
Old 05-25-06, 09:22 AM
  #15  
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2003
Posts: 1,295
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 2 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts
I had the same problem with my Stumpjumper FSR. The original seatpost could no longer hold the saddle properly. The only Specialized replacement did not have enough set-back, nor did any after market post of the correct diameter. So I bought a smaller diameter seatpost with a sleeve. I could not keep the seatpost from slipping in the sleeve. So I clamped on one of those clamp-on water-bottle-cage attachemnts which I had for the original diamater seatpost. Now it never slips and the seat height is self adjusting when ever the post is removed.

Al
Al.canoe is offline  
Old 05-25-06, 10:00 AM
  #16  
Senior Member
 
digger's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2002
Location: Likely North of you.
Posts: 2,267
Mentioned: 213 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1295 Post(s)
Liked 157 Times in 132 Posts
Originally Posted by Mchaz
So here's my conundrum. I have a vintage Reynold's 531 frame, and a forged aluminum seatpost. The seatpost does not want to stay where I put it. It will slip down until it hits the bracket for my tail-light. I know you might say, move the bracket down to keep the seatpost from slipping, but I would like to fix the problem legitimately. I have tried wiping the grease off as well as I could to no avail.

So what are some of your solutions to a slipping seatpost?

By the way, I tried a search and pretty much all of the threads had to do with slipping carbon posts.

I had that problem last year on my road bike that I had owned for 7 years up to that point. Never slipped until then.

The problem? Too much grease on the post, took the stuff off, never slips now. Yes, there is just enough there to prevent a rusted on post, I guess I had put too much on before....
digger is offline  
Old 05-25-06, 10:11 AM
  #17  
cab horn
 
Join Date: Jun 2004
Location: Toronto
Posts: 28,353

Bikes: 1987 Bianchi Campione

Mentioned: 1 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 42 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 26 Times in 19 Posts
Originally Posted by iNewton
I heard bud light works as well, and it's cheaper.
Bud light? WITCH!!
operator is offline  
Old 05-25-06, 04:35 PM
  #18  
Dances a jig.
Thread Starter
 
Mchaz's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: Central, Ok
Posts: 402

Bikes: 2007 Surly Long Haul Trucker 54cm (Commuting/Wanna' go tour so bad), 1985 Trek 670 21" (Road), 2003 Gary Fisher Tassajara 17" (MTB), Cannondale DeltaV 600 (commuterized MTB), some junker bikes in my garage

Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Originally Posted by digger
The problem? Too much grease on the post, took the stuff off, never slips now. Yes, there is just enough there to prevent a rusted on post, I guess I had put too much on before....
Well, to rule that problem out, yesterday I degreased the post and inside of the seat tube. I used denatured alcohol on a rag. There was only a slight sticky residue in the seat tube, but otherwise the grease was gone. It still slips, not nearly as bad as before, but it still slips. Argh. Time to start scouring Ebay for a cheap Thomson, or find a plumber with a knurling tool.
Mchaz is offline  
Old 05-25-06, 10:04 PM
  #19  
Senior Member
 
erader's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: silicon valley
Posts: 1,774
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Originally Posted by Mchaz
Well, to rule that problem out, yesterday I degreased the post and inside of the seat tube. I used denatured alcohol on a rag. There was only a slight sticky residue in the seat tube, but otherwise the grease was gone. It still slips, not nearly as bad as before, but it still slips. Argh. Time to start scouring Ebay for a cheap Thomson, or find a plumber with a knurling tool.
get a different seat post. that's what i've done in the past. lightweight posts are especially notorious for slipping and sometimes creaking.

erader
erader is offline  
Old 05-26-06, 04:22 PM
  #20  
Senior Member
 
Brian Ratliff's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2002
Location: Near Portland, OR
Posts: 10,123

Bikes: Three road bikes. Two track bikes.

Mentioned: 2 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 47 Post(s)
Liked 4 Times in 4 Posts
A third vote for the Al can shim, it doesn't have to be beer, I used a Mountain Dew can; works just as well. I had this problem on a brand new bike, cut a shim and problem is gone.

The problem with simply roughing up the seatpost is that, while it doesn't slip, it still isn't secure. The seatpost is supposed to fit tightly into the seat tube so that only a little clamping force is necessary to keep it from slipping and the seat tube doesn't deform. When you rough up the post to solve the problem, what happens is that you end up using a lot of clamping force over a small, pinched area and run the risk of putting a crack in your seat tube because the tube is now pinched and the seatpost is only held in by the very top of tube; the bottom is unsupported.

So, either cut a shim or get a new seatpost. Don't try to overtighten the seat post bolt.
__________________
Cat 2 Track, Cat 3 Road.
"If you’re new enough [to racing] that you would ask such question, then i would hazard a guess that if you just made up a workout that sounded hard to do, and did it, you’d probably get faster." --the tiniest sprinter
Brian Ratliff is offline  
Old 05-26-06, 04:30 PM
  #21  
hello
 
roadfix's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2003
Location: Los Angeles
Posts: 18,697
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 195 Post(s)
Liked 117 Times in 53 Posts
Some rubber cement worked for me. It created just enough friction for the seatpost to stay put.
roadfix is offline  
Old 05-27-06, 11:16 AM
  #22  
Dances a jig.
Thread Starter
 
Mchaz's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: Central, Ok
Posts: 402

Bikes: 2007 Surly Long Haul Trucker 54cm (Commuting/Wanna' go tour so bad), 1985 Trek 670 21" (Road), 2003 Gary Fisher Tassajara 17" (MTB), Cannondale DeltaV 600 (commuterized MTB), some junker bikes in my garage

Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Originally Posted by The Fixer
Some rubber cement worked for me. It created just enough friction for the seatpost to stay put.
Interesting. Did you apply grease surrounding the cemented area to prevent rust/corrosion?
Mchaz is offline  

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off



Contact Us - Archive - Advertising - Cookie Policy - Privacy Statement - Terms of Service -

Copyright © 2024 MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands. All rights reserved. Use of this site indicates your consent to the Terms of Use.