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Old 07-06-06, 07:12 AM
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Recieved a gift of Campagnolo Record Carbon Shifters

Now what? All my road bikes are Shimano equipped!

I have considered giving Campy stuff a try (though I do have a Chorus fd and a Record crankset on my otherwise DA/Ultegra Ti bike)

Does just about everything need to be swapped to use the shifters? Can there be a gradual change over?
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Old 07-06-06, 07:55 AM
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Get a JTEK Shiftmate and try the new shifters. If you like the way they feel better than the Shimano levers, you can either leave as is, or slowly move over to the dark side with the rest of us Campy fans. If you do decide to change over, I would get a Chorus RD and an American Classic or Wheels Mfg conversion cassette, so that you can keep the same wheels until it is time to replace them anyways. You already have the FD and crankset, so you are all set. Brakes are up to you, but I wouldn't spend the money if you already have adequate stopping power. It doesn't have to be all or nothing.
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Jtec has adapters to let you use Campy shifters with Shimano 9 or 10-speed everything else. For $35 it's well worth the experiment.
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I third the JTEK shiftmate.
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JTEK Shiftmate! Very cool! I had no idea such a thing existed - and yes well worth it. Thanks guys!
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Funny this should come up. I was just talking about this in another thread. This might help you: http://www.hearingoffice.com/downloa...ion_screen.pdf

Jtek Shiftmates are one option.

If you don't want that gift, my birthday is coming up .

Very nice gift!!
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Originally Posted by masiman
Funny this should come up. I was just talking about this in another thread. This might help you: http://www.hearingoffice.com/downloa...ion_screen.pdf

Jtek Shiftmates are one option.

If you don't want that gift, my birthday is coming up .

Very nice gift!!
Thanks for the info!

I think I'll keep the shifters, however I do have a Huret derailleur right here that I use as a paper weight. If your good, I'll send it your way
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The brifters are the most expensive peice of modern bike componetry. I'm with the rest of the group and would recommend a JTEK Shiftmate kit to use these with what you already have, but when you switch to all Campagnolo, you'll already have the most expensive part.
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Can these 10 speed shifters (with the Shiftmate) temporarily work with a 9 speed rear cassette? I know the answer to this but forgot

If I do decide to upgrade to 10 speed using the conversion cassette, can I retain my Ultegra Open Pro's or are these among the wheels that are incompatable with the AC conversion cassette?

It'd be a shame if not. I love my Open Pro's!

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Originally Posted by EGreen
Can these 10 speed shifters (with the Shiftmate) temporarily work with a 9 speed rear cassette? I know the answer to this but forgot
There is a specific Jtek adapter to let you use 10-speed Campy brifters with a 9-speed Shimano cassette and derailleur.

If I do decide to upgrade to 10 speed using the conversion cassette, can I retain my Ultegra Open Pro's or are these among the wheels that are incompatable with the AC conversion cassette?

It'd be a shame if not. I love my Open Pro's!
Check with AC. I certainly don't see why anything as common a Ultegra hubs wouldn't be useable. Also, you could use a 10-speed Shimano cassette and just get a different Jtek adapter. I'm sure this would be much less expensive than the conversion cassette.
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I've not yet started this project of trying out these shifters.

What if I really like the feel of them and wish to keep them on? What about performance with my current set up? With the adaptive/conversion mechanisms, can shifting possibly be as smooth as with my current set up with the DA shifters? Or will I, in short time, need to make the investment in all campy components to get the best performance?

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Originally Posted by HillRider
There is a specific Jtek adapter to let you use 10-speed Campy brifters with a 9-speed Shimano cassette and derailleur.
But if you go this route, you'd need to buy a second JTEK adapter once you get a 10-speed cassette. I'd say just buy a 10-speed cassette and the adapter for Shimano 10-speed.
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I haven't done this conversion myself but the second hand reports I've heard are all positive. You do have to set the Jtek up properly so, compromise your principles and actually read the directions!

I have all Campy Chorus on my new bike and the shifting is very good. Not magic and not much different than Shimano but very good. The "feel" is different but that's subjective, not functional.

BTW, I'm considering substituting Campy Brifters (Centaur, I expect) and a Jtek adapter for the 105 9-speed brifters my older bike next year so let me know how it works for you. I'll add your experience to my second hand data base.
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Originally Posted by HillRider
BTW, I'm considering substituting Campy Brifters (Centaur, I expect) and a Jtek adapter for the 105 9-speed brifters my older bike next year so let me know how it works for you. I'll add your experience to my second hand data base.
For all you contribute, It'd be the least I could do!

btw, seems there is a mileage limit to my decision making as American Classics says of its conversion cassette: it is not expected hold up longer than 1000 miles.
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Originally Posted by EGreen
For all you contribute, It'd be the least I could do!

btw, seems there is a mileage limit to my decision making as American Classics says of its conversion cassette: it is not expected hold up longer than 1000 miles.
Thank you, I appreciate the compliment.

Yes, a lot of aftermarket and conversion cassettes are made as light as possible and may use either Ti (not too durable) or Al (dreadfully poor durability) cogs to achieve low weight at the expense of longevity.
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Originally Posted by timcupery
But if you go this route, you'd need to buy a second JTEK adapter once you get a 10-speed cassette. I'd say just buy a 10-speed cassette and the adapter for Shimano 10-speed.
This is my thinking as well.
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Wheels MFG, and American Classic make converison cassettes to run cmapy 10 on shimano hubs. I have the Wheels MFG one. It's based off an ultegra cassette. Overall good quality, just is not compatible with large gague straight spokes when used with 105 hubs.

Those conversion cassettes are often cheaper than a Chorus cassette anyways. the Ti carrier on Chorus makes it prety pricey.
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Originally Posted by catatonic
Those conversion cassettes are often cheaper than a Chorus cassette anyways. the Ti carrier on Chorus makes it prety pricey.
True but they are much more expensive than a Shimano Ultegra or 105 cassette and these will fit the current hub with no problems. The Jtec solves the rest of the compatibility issues.
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Originally Posted by EGreen
Now what? All my road bikes are Shimano equipped!

I have considered giving Campy stuff a try (though I do have a Chorus fd and a Record crankset on my otherwise DA/Ultegra Ti bike)

Does just about everything need to be swapped to use the shifters? Can there be a gradual change over?

Why don't you sell them to me for a rock bottom price?!!
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I was near a certain LBS of good repute. So I went in and asked the owner/mechanic about the Record shifters and what I aim to do. He told me that I should get a Campy rear derailleur and could get a shimano 10 speed cassette and it would work flawlessly as the spacing is identical btw Campy and Shimano cassettes- ever since the inception of 9 speed. I kept on saying, but, but, but... he kept on saying "102%, 102% sure."

I'm so confused!

I want to believe him, of course I do, what he proposes is way easier and cheaper in the long run.
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If he says it will work, you can have them put their money where there mouth is. You'll buy the parts from them, but if it does not work, they take it back and you buy the other parts from them. You can't lose this way except you might pay higher LBS prices.
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So I emailed Sheldon Brown at Harris Cyclery, seller of Shiftmate, and he got back to me and confirmed that I could use a Campy rear Derailleur with a Shimano Cassette and get smooth shifting, and that the spacing in the new cogs is 'close enough' to identical

However, looking at the Chorus specs I observe that the minimum cog it will shift to is 13t, which doesn't seem common among stock Shimano cassettes, am I wrong on one or both accounts? (I usually favor 11-12t)

What about Record, is it like DA vs Ultegra? Is it like Shimano in that the derailleurs are of little consequence (but weight)- the shifters being most crucial to performance? OR does a record rd make for magic? (unlike Hillriders experience with Chorus)

Would anyone strongly disagree with bypassing the shiftmate in favor of getting the hugely more expensive campy rd? To my mind, I suppose I'm thinking that the Shiftmate is but a temporary solution even though there is nothing to the design which would suggest it wouldn't last as long as any other mechanism.

Any thoughts would be appreciated.

I'm trying to be a savvy consumer. Historically I've not been as it relates to bike purchases!
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Originally Posted by EGreen
However, looking at the Chorus specs I observe that the minimum cog it will shift to is 13t, which doesn't seem common among stock Shimano cassettes, am I wrong on one or both accounts? (I usually favor 11-12t)
I just checked the owners manual that came with a brand new Chorus 10-speed triple (long cage) rear derailleur and the minimum cog specified is 12T. For the medium and short cage versions the minimum is 11T. According to the manual, those specs apply across all of the Campy 9 and 10-speed groups from Record down to Xenon

Would anyone strongly disagree with bypassing the shiftmate in favor of getting the hugely more expensive campy rd? To my mind, I suppose I'm thinking that the Shiftmate is but a temporary solution even though there is nothing to the design which would suggest it wouldn't last as long as any other mechanism.

Any thoughts would be appreciated.

I'm trying to be a savvy consumer. Historically I've not been as it relates to bike purchases!
I'd try the Shiftmate. The cost is way less than almost any Campy rear derailleur and it has a proven track record.
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Originally Posted by timcupery
But if you go this route, you'd need to buy a second JTEK adapter once you get a 10-speed cassette. I'd say just buy a 10-speed cassette and the adapter for Shimano 10-speed.
If you go to Jtek's web site you can buy the second adapter (just the pulleys) for $15.
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Originally Posted by HillRider
I just checked the owners manual that came with a brand new Chorus 10-speed triple (long cage) rear derailleur and the minimum cog specified is 12T. For the medium and short cage versions the minimum is 11T. According to the manual, those specs apply across all of the Campy 9 and 10-speed groups from Record down to Xenon.
Good to know, thanks. Most of the sellers have the long cage as 13t min.

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I'd try the Shiftmate. The cost is way less than almost any Campy rear derailleur and it has a proven track record.
I don't know, HR, I seem to have the restlessness and diminished impulse control typically associated with a case of upgraditis. I suppose I can justify the added expenditure by thinking I can use my 9 speed DA stuff on my long neglected Allez Elite, thus giving it new appeal.
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