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Old 10-14-06, 11:26 AM
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Rim tape

Judging by what folks say on here riding without rim tape is pretty much guaranteed to lead to frequent flatting and something that just isn't done...

Problem is, I've never once used it in the 27 years I've been riding bikes and never flatted because of that. What gives?
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Old 10-14-06, 11:44 AM
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So tell us a little more about what you're riding on.
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Originally Posted by I_bRAD
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I've never once used it in the 27 years I've been riding bikes and never flatted because of that. What gives?
I think perhaps you should buy some lottery tickets…



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Old 10-14-06, 11:51 AM
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Originally Posted by Retro Grouch
So tell us a little more about what you're riding on.
What bike? What wheels? What road surfaces?
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If you pump a tube up to high pressure and have a double wall rim the tube will develop dimples where the spoke holes are. Those dimples eventually pop, usually crossing a pile of refuse on the island between Newark and Jersey City NJ.

FWIW, Maxxis sells a tube with it's own cloth rim liner. Not as good as tape but good enough.
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Maybe I'm flatting out on debris before the tube goes from the spoke holes. I don't think I've got a flat on the front once this year yet even though
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That's pretty startling...once, I forget to put rim tape on a wheel, and I blew up a tube and flatted another after a few minutes of riding.
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Old 10-14-06, 02:18 PM
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Originally Posted by I_bRAD
What bike? What wheels? What road surfaces?
OK, so tell us about just one wheelset that you've used successfully without rim tape.
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Originally Posted by Retro Grouch
OK, so tell us about just one wheelset that you've used successfully without rim tape.
I'll tell you several:

Kysrium SL SSC
Kysrium equipe
Mavic 517
Mavic Crossmax (UST but I've run them with tubes in the Winter)
Mavic 217
Alex DM20

And every other wheel I've ever owned which I cant remember off the top of my head
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Man, I'd LOVE to believe you didn't use either a rim strip or tape on all of those rims. What is the name of the secret spoke nipple that allows this?
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…so how d'ya make out with the lottery tix?

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Many of those wheels come with some kind of rim strip already installed. Sometimes it's a plastic band, sometimes a rubber thing, sometimes rim tape. Are you actually telling us that your wheel has exposed holes all the way around that the tube is directly on? If so, you're using some nice, thick, tear resistant tubes.
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Old 10-15-06, 06:43 AM
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Originally Posted by urbanknight
Many of those wheels come with some kind of rim strip already installed.
That was my thinking too. The fact you've never installed rim tape doesn't mean it wasn't already there.
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Old 10-15-06, 06:47 AM
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I've been trying to decide between troll, liar, or fool. I'm inclined to think troll. I guy with 27 years riding experience not knowing he had rim strips on his wheels - that would be a fool.
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I've proven by experiment that flats happen without rim tape. I bought a pre-built wheel and didn't realize I was supposed to put rim tape on it. It worked fine most of the time. Twice I flatted for mysterious reasons right after topping off the pressure. After the first flat, I just put in a new tube. After the second, I started to investigate it and suddenly realized I'd been riding around for several months without rim tape. Doh!

I think I could have ridden for 27 years on that wheel without rim tape if I kept the tire pressure low. So there you have it. Try inflating your tires to max pressure without rim tape and see what happens.

Maybe another alternative would be to pollish the edges of the spoke holes in a double walled rim. No burs or sharp edges and maybe you could get away with it.
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I'm not a troll, I'm not a liar... and I'm not blind. Just telling it how it is. Is this board funded by Velox or something?

I know I haven't been here long.... but I'd say my posts are 70% useful, 30% smart ass comments and 0% troll.
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Originally Posted by squeakywheel
I think I could have ridden for 27 years on that wheel without rim tape if I kept the tire pressure low. So there you have it. Try inflating your tires to max pressure without rim tape and see what happens.
That's 27 years since I started riding bikes. The longest I've used a single wheel is maybe 8-10 years.
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Originally Posted by I_bRAD
I'm not a troll, I'm not a liar... and I'm not blind. Just telling it how it is. Is this board funded by Velox or something?

I know I haven't been here long.... but I'd say my posts are 70% useful, 30% smart ass comments and 0% troll.
You edited those numbers just in time. I was going to chime in with my own smartass comment about the remaining 10%
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I especially can't figure out why the Crossmax wheels would have been included in the list of wheels used without rim tape. Those wheels come with a bead-to-bead factory liner that's part of what make the wheels tubeless-compatible in the first place. You're not going to add conventional rim tape on top of that if you're running tubes, but I certainly wouldn't claim they "don't have rim tape."..............I'll add this: to anyone out there who's now thinking rim tape's not necessary, maybe the tubes won't blow immediately, maybe they'll wait until you come to the first 40 mph descent of the day. And if the blowout is because you didn't install a $2 roll of rim tape, that's just plain dumb-
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Originally Posted by Dan Burkhart
You edited those numbers just in time. I was going to chime in with my own smartass comment about the remaining 10%
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ha! Well you guys are at least Partially right anyhow, so maybe I should put that 10% into the fool category. Urbanknight got my doubting myself so I just pulled back the tire on my Kysrium SL's (which are the wheels that have gotten the most use over the past year) and there does indeed appear to be a strip there.

I'm not gonna flatten all of my tires this morning to check the rest... so you're gonna have to believe me that I'm definitely running some without rimtape or problems
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Originally Posted by well biked
to anyone out there who's now thinking rim tape's not necessary, maybe the tubes won't blow immediately, maybe they'll wait until you come to the first 40 mph descent of the day. And if the blowout is because you didn't install a $2 roll of rim tape, that's just plain dumb-
The $2/40mph argument is a good one. Looks like the wheels I have that DO see 40mph (see my post above) already have the tape anyhow. If I'm out mountain biking, or toodling around town on my beater I'm not as concerned about a blowout!
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HAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAH; this is great, not only the post but all the responses!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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The embarrassed smiley just doesn't cut it this morning!
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We don't need no stinkin' rim strips!

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