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Old 10-15-06, 06:59 AM
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stainless steel chain problems

On my new bike I went with a Wipperman Connex 9X1 stainless steel chain. I am using a 6500 Ultegra 13 x25 9 speed cassette, a 6603 Ultegra (10speed) triple crank, and Dura Ace 7703 front derailleur and a 7703 long cage 9 speed triple rear derailleur. My shifters are Dura Ace 7700-C rear and 7703 front. I just finished the bike a few days ago and I've only done one 16 mile ride and then I got sick and the weather turned freezing.
Anyway, my I set up the gearing pretty well and the stops are set front and rear and the intermediate trim clicks seem to work pretty good. My problem is a grinding sound in certain combinations like the 30tooth front and anything smaller than the 3 largest cogs in the rear. The middle chainring is a little better but still grinds in like 3 of the smaller rear cogs. The grinding is heard in reasonable (to me) gear combos where there is no visible rub on the next chainring or excess sideways flex.
Now Since I just set this thing up, I didn't even put anything at all on the chain except the factory lube.
I was looking at Probikekit.com and they had a 9 speed compatibility chart and the KMC X9-93 was listed as "ideal" for Ultegra and Dura Ace 9 speed, as well as the Shimano CN-7701.
For anyone with a lot of experience with 9 speed drivetrains I guess my questions are as follows: Is the Wipperman stainless just a noisey, less desirable 9 speed chain? If I apply ProLink or White Lightning Epic will it quiet down? I've heard people say they use the 10 speed triple crank with a 9 speed system, is there some non-compatibility I didn't know about?
I got the Wipperman chain from Biketiresdirect for about 49$, I suppose I could pull it off and sell it on ebay and get the KMC or Shimano if I needed to.
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Wippermans are generally considered to be some of the loudest, but toughest chains out there. And I would think the stainless ones would be at the top of the list. Lubrication will help, but wet lube (Tenatious Oil, Tri Flow, etc.) will be much quieter than the dry lubes (White Lightning). The stuff doesn't last too long, so clean it up and relube often.

The factory lube is generally quite quiet, but picks up debris like nothing else, so it's only useful for 50 miles max in most conditions. Also, I didn't read too closely, but some setups like Shimano Hyperglide work best only with specific chains, especially when you get up to 9 speeds.. but your chain is the right size, except for the front, which I wouldn't think would make that much of a difference.

Maybe the grinding is just a result of the increased lateral stiffness of the stainless chain, because of tighter tolerances, and stiffer metal or something.
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Can you make the noise while in a repair stand to get a better idea of where it comes from?? With my Ultegra 9 sp and triple I found the Wipperman nickle-plated chain quieter than the HG-93.

Whether you should clean the factory stuff off has been debated ad-infinitum. I am sure that there is a correct answer (from the three of yes, no, or it doesn't matter) but none of us knows it. You certainly should lube it though.
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Originally Posted by Boss Moniker
Wippermans are generally considered to be some of the loudest, but toughest chains out there. And I would think the stainless ones would be at the top of the list. Lubrication will help, but wet lube (Tenatious Oil, Tri Flow, etc.) will be much quieter than the dry lubes (White Lightning). The stuff doesn't last too long, so clean it up and relube often.

The factory lube is generally quite quiet, but picks up debris like nothing else, so it's only useful for 50 miles max in most conditions. Also, I didn't read too closely, but some setups like Shimano Hyperglide work best only with specific chains, especially when you get up to 9 speeds.. but your chain is the right size, except for the front, which I wouldn't think would make that much of a difference.

Maybe the grinding is just a result of the increased lateral stiffness of the stainless chain, because of tighter tolerances, and stiffer metal or something.
White Lighting "Epic", is their wet lube.
Thanks for your quick reply.
I kind of had the feeling that the noise was more of the new chain/stiffer metal/tighter tolerance variety as well. I love a silent drivetrain, but so long as I'm not somehow doing irreparable damage, I think I can live with a little grindy/metallic noise.
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The stainless Wipperman's have a tendency to break. Do a search and you will see. I had one break after only about 500 miles. They are a little noisy, even the nickel plated one that I replaced the SS with was noisy, although I didn't realize just how noisy until I replaced it after it wore out.

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I have no experience with Wipperman chains but if the chain is noisey, make sure the rear derailleur is properly adjusted. The upper pully floats to allow misalignment to some point. Try tweaking the adjuster just a little at a time and see if it makes a difference. Also, new cogs sometimes need some time to wear-in to match the chain. Check adjustment, lub it up with an oil based lube, and give the bike a few hundered miles to break in properly.

Good luck and enjoy your new ride.

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I have no experience with Wipperman chains but if the chain is noisey, make sure the rear derailleur is properly adjusted.
Then you wouldn't know that wippermans run noisy regardless of adjustment.
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So, if this chain is inherently noisy and prone to early breakage, what advantage does it offer to overcome those disadvantages?

Just curious.

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Originally Posted by Carusoswi
So, if this chain is inherently noisy and prone to early breakage, what advantage does it offer to overcome those disadvantages?

Just curious.

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Well, I have a Wipperman 10X1 stainless steel chain on a 10-speed Campy Chorus triple drivetrain (yes, 10-speed, so I may not have the right to comment) and it runs very quietly, allows crosschain gears with out complaint, hasn't broken and shows very little "stretch" in 2500 miles. So far, so good.
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So, if this chain is inherently noisy and prone to early breakage, what advantage does it offer to overcome those disadvantages?

Just curious.

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Well I was buying the parts bit by bit for my 9 speed build and I decided to try the Wipperman since I like the fact that its stainless - thought I'd try it out.
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