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Old 10-16-06, 09:33 PM
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ripped brooks

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Ok so I have a 1970 Raleigh Sport. I neglected tensioning the thing and I now have a horozontal rip, about 5 inches long along one of the breather holes. I think it is a b-27(?) and it is not in a riding state right now. Should I go to the leather shop and stich it up or just give up on it? If I try to tension it it will just be ripped apart. I really want to save this saddle. Any thoughts? Will stiching save the poor thing? I would just really hate to put some puffy saddle on this bike. Any suggestions?
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Old 10-17-06, 12:37 PM
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Never heard of a Brooks ripping, that's a first. Tensioning it would probably not have done anything. I'd say chuck it and buy a new one, they're like $50-60.
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Old 10-17-06, 02:26 PM
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Originally Posted by dobber
I'd say chuck it and buy a new one, they're like $50-60.
I usually see them for ~$90-$300, although I don't shop hard for them.

I love the idea of Brooks, but everyone I have sat on just has not felt right to me. I'd get one in a minute if I liked how they felt.
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It's fairly thick leather, I don't think there's any harm in stitching. Only thing you should find out, probably from someone at the leather shop, is how to do this right. I'd guess it might involve a small patch over and/or under the rip to ease tension on the ripped area. Afterwards a fresh leather treatment with heat might help to 'integrate' the new elements.
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If it were me, I'd look at taking to to a tack or saddle shop. They have the right tools and techiques to do it. I'm thinking that a baseball stitch might do the job, and with a good waxed thread pounded down it may not be objectionable to ride.

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Originally Posted by Mentor58
If it were me, I'd look at taking to to a tack or saddle shop. They have the right tools and techiques to do it. I'm thinking that a baseball stitch might do the job, and with a good waxed thread pounded down it may not be objectionable to ride.

Just my .02

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Good .02. It'd look cool, too, Dr. Frankenstein's Brooks.
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Old 10-17-06, 04:50 PM
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Originally Posted by masiman
I usually see them for ~$90-$300, although I don't shop hard for them.

I love the idea of Brooks, but everyone I have sat on just has not felt right to me. I'd get one in a minute if I liked how they felt.
The beauty of brooks is that they break in to you, so you have to give them 100 miles or so (usually) until they start to feel right. The B-17 (which I assume is what the OP has can be found for as ow as $45 on ebay, but they are usually around 70.
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Originally Posted by sivat
The beauty of brooks is that they break in to you, so you have to give them 100 miles or so (usually) until they start to feel right. The B-17 (which I assume is what the OP has can be found for as ow as $45 on ebay, but they are usually around 70.
I've tried 2 broken in ones from friends bikes. I have sat on a few new ones and they were hard and too slick. Most times I heard it takes 500-1000 miles to get them right. Does not matter to me as the broken in ones just did not feel right for me.

Thanks for the ebay pointer. I don't completely trust ebay but that is a good option.
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Originally Posted by masiman
Does not matter to me as the broken in ones just did not feel right for me.
I think that the idea of "broken-in" is more like it has been molded to you. I would think someone else's broken-in saddle could be more uncomfortable to you than a new one, unless their sit bones were shaped just like yours.

But I don't actually have a Brooks, so I could be wrong... someone correct me if I am...

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Mine is of the same vintage, and it's a goner. Ripped at the rivets in the nose of it. Instead of buying a replacement, I used the money to put towards an Uptown 8, but I'd still kind of like another Brooks.
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Originally Posted by sirwilliamjr
I think that the idea of "broken-in" is more like it has been molded to you. I would think someone else's broken-in saddle could be more uncomfortable to you than a new one, unless their sit bones were shaped just like yours.
I agree, they apparently break into the person using them. It was not the location of the bumps and shallows but the overall feel of the saddle that I did not like. Even if it had formed to my bones like a pair of Birkenstocks, I would still prefer other saddles.
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To each their own. I have five of them (3 team pros, 1 b17 and a b5n). The team pros are my favorites and are currently mounted on my 3 bikes. I find them to be great right out of the box and they only get better as the miles accumulate. The b5n is pretty low-end with a plastic "Brooks" plate on the backside. Also, it broke in a little lopsided and the leather is not nearly as thick as the team pro's. I found it NOS in the parts bin at a local shop for $20.

Shop around and you should be able to find a new b17 for $60 or so. There are always "buy it now" ones on eBay for around this price.
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I've got a B-17 standard with approx. 500 miles on it. It's just starting to feel as though it's begining to break in. I've read many accounts on-line of it taking much less than that. I can't see how...

That being said, it's never been uncomfortable. I could stay on it for 90 minutes or so from the start. I'm just noticing it less and less as the miles go by.
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I have a garbage picked raleigh sport with once neglected B-66 that had a large rip in one side skirt when i found it..
i drilled holes in the side for lacing to try and stem the damage and tension up the splayed skirts..
problem was the reason the saddle ripped (cracked?) in the first place was cause of years of drying out and no oiling...
the lacing eventually pulled through the holes i made.
(in retrospect i should've punched holes further from the edge and tightened more gently)
now there is a large triangle shaped chunk of saddle missing but the funny thing is it works fine!
a littel bit soft, but still perfectly ok to ride

try a repair with what you've got and ride it until it breaks
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Brooks B17, $51.99 plus shipping

http://aebike.com/page.cfm?PageID=30...ils&sku=SA1212
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