Your right I was wrong lessons learned the hardway
 

I had to nudge the sprocket over to the chainwheel to correct the chainline. I removed the axel I failed to consult any resources on this procedure. I had bearings everywhere! Well I got all that backtogether axel how it needed to be now I need to dish the wheel what gauge would these spokes be? Its a 77 or 78 Nishiki International. The rim in question is 82 ish thank you

You almost surely need a Park Red spoke wrench. I think that's the answer to the question that you're really asking.

Depends on the brand of the spokes. E.g. Sapim and DT use different sizes AFAIK, though I'm too lazy to check. I use a crescent wrench with all sizes anyway (oops, I'm gonna get flamed for this...)

Thanks for the help

Whats the best way to dish a wheel? I am thinking I might need to loosen the spookes on the left side.Then tighten the spokes on the right match the dish stick on the right side of the hub. I should be all set if it matches up with the dish stick. I should also slowly and evenly turn the spokes on the left side to pull the rim to the right. Slowly and evenly tightening the spokes on the right side to make it pull even more to the right am I true? No pun intended, if I do have the rim go out of round will this be significant damage?

So am I correct in understanding how to correct dish?

That's mostly correct. You loosen the spokes on the non-drive (left) side, and then tighten the spokes on the drive (right) side to pull the rim in that direction. Work in small increments as you get closer to full tension, like quarter turns at most. If you don't have a tension meter, you can pluck the spokes to make sure that all the ones on the right side have as equal tension as possible, and then all the left side spokes. There will be a big difference in tension between the right side and the left side, that's how the dish is formed, so that's all good, but on each side, you want the spokes to have even tension as much as possible. If the wheel ends up way out of true or out of round and you can't figure out how to make it better, you can just back out all the spokes til there's one thread showing below the nipple, and start over again with the truing, tensioning, and dishing. It's all good practice.

No, you won't do any real harm if the wheel ends up out of true or out of round, you would have to pretty much collapse the wheel to do any real harm. There's a greater risk of damage by pulling a spoke nipple through the hole in the rim, but you're not likely to do that on quality rims because the nipple would get rounded off and you wouldn't be able to turn it enough to do that. So don't worry, have fun, be patient, and look at it as a bold learning adventure!

I hope it's not too late to catch this on video...

Why do you want to see me throw a spoke wrench at the tool board when I can't get it right?

Frustrated mechanics in action are always fun to watch... 'specialy when it's someone else. :lol:

http://www.nashbar.com/nashbar_photos/medium/MN-PRO.gif

Anyone have anything against this truing stand? or the park tools dish stick?

http://www.nashbar.com/nashbar_photo...um/PT-WAG3.gif

anyone insite knowledge? Experience?

They look fine, though I haven't used them. I've always done mine on the bike, using a brake pad for alignment. The stand and the dish tool make the whole process easier, but if you're short on cash or don't know how much you want to invest in the project, then you can get by without.

I'm sure there are plenty of wheelbuilders with more opinions on these, but they probably missed this thread because there's no mention of wheelbuilding issues in the title. You could always try again with a new title that will get their attention, maybe. :)

Thanks for the help :) I will start a new thread

The dish guage is reasonably good. You can get precise enough with it.

The truing stand is merely adequate. The rounding guage has to be removed to do a quick lateral true of a wheel with a tire on it. To hold the wheel stable, it really needs to be clamped in with the quick release. So if you're using a dishing guage, there's a lot of removing and reinstalling the quick release which is a pain. They claim you can center the wheel right on the stand without a dishing guage, but I find this to be rather optimistic. The instructions are comically translated from Chinese. If it's all you can afford, it's better than nothing.

For a truing stand, what would you recommend for something that is of good quality? For $160, Park sells a truing stand (the ts-2) that looks ok, but wondering how that compares.

Thanks for the inside info I think it is Japanese. I know I am no sheldon brown, but in his article he says he uses a dish stick. If he can afford a 50 dollar spoke wrench I doubt he has a crappy stand like the one I will be buying. I think I will be asking for some new christmas gifts I got two jerseys for my b-day

Sorry; it was the "I had bearing everywhere" line that got me going.

Stacey understands.

Yeah that was a pain in the but like you wouldn't believe after the bearings rolled everywhere I gathered them up put the thickest grease I could so I could have the bearings stick to the walls of the hub then one would fall out get stuck in a inner track then I got a steak knife to pick it out then it would fall out again and I would have to chase it again :rolleyes: It was like a hour before I got it back together