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Bill Kapaun 02-20-07 01:44 PM

I'll ASSume the bike has:
28-38-48 T chainrings
11-32T cassette
Correct me if I'm wrong.

If you never reach the highest gear (48-11), you might consider a 12-23 (or 12-26?) cassette.
This will give you much closer spacing so that when the headwind/tailwind is a few MPH different, you have a better chance of having an "appropriate" gear combination for that specific condition.
This will still give you around 32-33 gear inches on the bottom end. That should be low enough for most any hill you encounter.
What's the highest and lowest gear combos you presently use?

Quijibo187 02-20-07 03:08 PM

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that's an easy one. I think these will give you the performance you're looking for. ;)

moxfyre 02-20-07 03:21 PM


Originally Posted by dydst
Hello all,

I've been riding my 2003 Giant Cypress Dx (hybrid) to work and for pleasure for some time now, approximately 100 miles/wk. While certainly not a "great" bike, it meets my needs, and has really grown on me.

I was thinking about modifying/upgrading the bike. What would give me the best value for the money?

For instance, I was thinking about upgrading/replacing the derailers. Would that noticeably improve my ride?

Or, on a bike like this, would people suggest that I simply save my money for a better bike?

Could anyone make some suggestions? Thanks!

Sheldon Brown's suggestions are spot on, as usual. I would suggest that you think hard about exactly what you want to improve about the bike. If it's rapid shifting for racing use (unlikely :)), then the derailers would be a good choice. If it's a little more speed and grip on the pavement, then maybe thin tires. If it's better braking on rainy days, then how about some Kool Stop brake pads? If it's greater pedaling efficiency and overall comfort, then how about some clipless pedals (cheap and WORTH IT!).

The point is you'll only get what you want if you know what you want.

froze 02-20-07 09:06 PM


Originally Posted by Sheldon Brown
Actually, it's all up to him or her. ;-)

When I was able to commute by bicyle, I rode SPDs and stayed in them all day with no problem.

If he or she needs dress shoes at work, they don't have to be carried back and forth if they get left at work.

Sheldon "SPD Sandals" Brown
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Well what you said is true; but I can only think of 2 or 3 guys that I knew (though in real life I'm sure there's more), that wore different shoes at work and put their bike shoes in a backpack as I do or in a pannier.

niallac 02-21-07 03:51 AM


Originally Posted by Garandman
Here is a my dilemma. I looked at an eBay auction of the following:

Used MAVIC / SHIMANO ULTEGRA 600 WHEEL SET
* Auction Includes Both Front & Rear Wheel
* Auction Includes Shimano Ultegra Hiperglide 8sp cassette 12-21
* 700c Clincher Road Bike
* Front Skewer Included
* Shimano 7/8/9 speed Compatible
* Hubs are Shimano Ultegra 600
* Spokes 32 Front & Rear

These wheels sold for $96 delivered. But I really don't know enough about wheels to determine what is and isn't a good deal, given that it's a commuter bike that will see a lot of bad weather. The bike has a Shimano 7 cassette, currently.

Here's another set of wheels that seem like they will sell for very little:

# Wheel(s) Make = Weinmann
# Wheel Model = DP810
# Wheel Size = 700c
# Tubular/Clinchr = Clincher
# W. Spokes Front = 36
# W. Spokes Rear = 36
# Hub- Front = Shimano
# Hub- Rear = Shimano

How do I figure out if they are an improvement? I can't even find out specifications for what these wheels weighs. Also it appears you can use a spacer with a 7 cog cassette on these wheels, but where do I find them?

Hmm, whether the wheels are a good deal or not really depends on what mileage has been put on them, how well they've been maintained, and how much wear is left inf the braking surfaces. $96 doesn't seem like a lot for wheels built around Ultegra-quality components, but would be expensive if you had to rebuild with new rims 500 miles later. IMHO you'd probably be better off looking for a shop-soiled or old-stock bargain in your LBS or online. So far as cassettes go, yeah, you can use a spacer, but you might also have to spread your frame a bit to accomodate the 9-spd compatible freehub - fine so long as the frame is steel.

Garandman 02-21-07 06:16 AM

The first listed was near new - they looked like new. The second set of rims listed is brand new.

Here's a "duh" question. I'm using 35 or 38mm tires. Is there a code for rim widths? I see from Sheldon Brown's article on tire sizing that rims have internal widths from 13 to 25mm, and found an ISO spec but don't see a code or even mention in most advertisements. High strength is preferable for this application over lightest weight. My neighbor and I (we'll both ride it) both weigh well over 200 lbs.

mrmw 02-21-07 06:33 AM


Originally Posted by Barabaika
The cheapest way to improve your speed is to buy narrower tires instead of your 700x40.

For example, Performance has 700x28 for $10 each:
http://www.performancebike.com/shop/...tegory_ID=5420

or Forte ST Cross/K Road Tire 700c x 35 $9.95 (ten percent off if you shop Tue Lunch), made in Taiwan:
http://www.performancebike.com/shop/...tegory_ID=5425

They run a little small. Mine are 33 to 34 mm after several days on the bike. At their rated 90 psi they run well. If they last 3k miles, at this price I'll buy another pair. Let you know a year from now.

I've tried other Performance house brands with varying degrees of success. These seem like a winner.

niallac 02-21-07 07:56 AM


Originally Posted by Garandman
The first listed was near new - they looked like new. The second set of rims listed is brand new.

Here's a "duh" question. I'm using 35 or 38mm tires. Is there a code for rim widths? I see from Sheldon Brown's article on tire sizing that rims have internal widths from 13 to 25mm, and found an ISO spec but don't see a code or even mention in most advertisements. High strength is preferable for this application over lightest weight. My neighbor and I (we'll both ride it) both weigh well over 200 lbs.

At $96 the Ultegra wheels sound like a good deal then - here in Scotland you'd be looking at £100 plus for a single wheel of that spec, which I think is currently about US$200.

As far as rim widths go, i don't recognise your sizes (35, 38mm) as standard 700c widths... But then I'm pretty new to road bike sizes, so that means nothing.

Hambone 02-21-07 09:29 AM


Originally Posted by Sheldon Brown
<snip>The adjustable stem is heavy and clunky, and once you figure out where the bars want to be, you really don't need the adjustability any more.

As somebody who went from a casual rider to a much more serious (well, regular at least...) rider in the past year+, I have to disagree.

I put an adjustable stem on my road bike at the beginning and every few weeks I was able to stretch out my riding position. Had I gone with the position which was comfortable a year and a half ago, I would be nowheres near as aerodynamic as I am now and I'd hardly be able to maintain the blistering 15-16mph commute.

dydst 02-21-07 10:01 AM

One more question guys -- The Giant website says that my Cypress Dx has "Alloy 32" rims. What is the smallest size tire that I could (safely) put on my wheels? 700c X 32? Smaller?

Thanks!

moxfyre 02-21-07 10:28 AM


Originally Posted by dydst
One more question guys -- The Giant website says that my Cypress Dx has "Alloy 32" rims. What is the smallest size tire that I could (safely) put on my wheels? 700c X 32? Smaller?

Thanks!

You should measure the actual width of the rim in mm, and then use this handy chart to find the optimal range of tire sizes for that rim!

froze 02-21-07 09:27 PM


Originally Posted by Hambone
As somebody who went from a casual rider to a much more serious (well, regular at least...) rider in the past year+, I have to disagree.

I put an adjustable stem on my road bike at the beginning and every few weeks I was able to stretch out my riding position. Had I gone with the position which was comfortable a year and a half ago, I would be nowheres near as aerodynamic as I am now and I'd hardly be able to maintain the blistering 15-16mph commute.

But where is Sheldon wrong? You even said you readjusted your stem and now found a new more aero position...couldn't this been done without an adjustable stem? Of course it could have, thus the adjustable stem is heavy and clunky as Sheldon had said.

Hambone 02-21-07 09:59 PM


Originally Posted by froze
But where is Sheldon wrong? You even said you readjusted your stem and now found a new more aero position...couldn't this been done without an adjustable stem? Of course it could have, thus the adjustable stem is heavy and clunky as Sheldon had said.

but without the adjustability it is hard to dial that position down and out. I no longer have the adjustable stem on the bike but I think it was a great interim step and at such a low cost, it was ultimately money very well spent.

(I knew I was treading on dangerous ground when I disagreed with Sheldon...)

dydst 02-22-07 04:37 AM

Wow . . .

In reponse to some suggestions, I put a pair of 700 x 26's on last night. What a difference! It's amazing! It's like I'm riding a completely different bike.

Of course, I took a split sidewalk way too fast -- something that my thicker tires could have handled -- and really bit it. Oh well, lesson learned!

For those that have been making suggestions -- thanks again.

froze 02-22-07 10:13 PM


Originally Posted by Hambone
(I knew I was treading on dangerous ground when I disagreed with Sheldon...)

Naa, you weren't on dangerious ground, he's always cool. In fact I've disagreed with him in the past on a few things...he may have have been right or not, just a difference of opinion. Just keep it respectiful like you did; I've never seen Sheldon get disrespectiful to anyone no matter how they treated him.

Sheldon Brown 02-22-07 10:37 PM


Originally Posted by Hambone
As somebody who went from a casual rider to a much more serious (well, regular at least...) rider in the past year+, I have to disagree.

I put an adjustable stem on my road bike at the beginning and every few weeks I was able to stretch out my riding position. Had I gone with the position which was comfortable a year and a half ago, I would be nowheres near as aerodynamic as I am now and I'd hardly be able to maintain the blistering 15-16mph commute.

I don't think we necessarily disagree...

The original poster already has an adjustable stem. Adjustable stems are good for figuring out what's the best bar position--but once that has been determined it is not unreasonable to replace it with a fixed stem that provides the same position, especially if you're concerned about weight.

It's unfortunate that the garden variety adjustable stems just pivot in an arc, so you can either have high and close or low and far--but you can't have high and far nor low and close.

The old "Major Taylor outrigger" type offered independent adjustment for reach and height.

The advent of "pop top" stems (as most adjustable stems are) is a great boon for fitting, because it makes stem swapping so easy.

Sheldon "Technomic" Brown

Hambone 02-23-07 08:37 AM


Originally Posted by Sheldon Brown
I don't think we necessarily disagree...

The original poster already has an adjustable stem.

Sorry, didn't realize that piece.

Originally Posted by Sheldon Brown
Adjustable stems are good for figuring out what's the best bar position--but once that has been determined it is not unreasonable to replace it with a fixed stem that provides the same position, especially if you're concerned about weight.

It's unfortunate that the garden variety adjustable stems just pivot in an arc, so you can either have high and close or low and far--but you can't have high and far nor low and close.

The old "Major Taylor outrigger" type offered independent adjustment for reach and height.

The advent of "pop top" stems (as most adjustable stems are) is a great boon for fitting, because it makes stem swapping so easy.

Sheldon "Technomic" Brown

I've passed my adj stem on to two other newish riders so they can work out their position better. I do agree that once you are dialed in it is unneccessary weight and clunky. I would also add, it is a mechanical connection one need not rely on and ought to be replaced just on principal.


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