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Patched Tubes: Replace or Use?
For those of you that patch tubes, do you continue using them (say, after the ride home), or do you replace them with another new tube?
I've patched tubes before, but they don't seem to last very long. One tube kept busting in the same area, so we just replaced the whole thing after 3 patches. |
That happened to me, it was because I wasn't letting the glue dry enough. I let it dry for at least three minutes before I stick the patch on, now they don't come off at all.
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Put on correctly, a patch will last longer than the rest of the tube. No need to replace it.
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If a good quality patch job I keep the tube as a spare, folding so that the patch is protected.
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If you are having trouble with patches not sticking, use a piece of sand paper to buff the tube. The metal buffer used in the patch kits is next to useless.
Let glue dry. If you are getting a new hole in the same area, you aren't removing whatever is causing the puncture from the tire. |
Originally Posted by axelfox
(Post 5116111)
For those of you that patch tubes, do you continue using them (say, after the ride home), or do you replace them with another new tube?
I've patched tubes before, but they don't seem to last very long. One tube kept busting in the same area, so we just replaced the whole thing after 3 patches. On the other hand, I do occasionally have patches refuse to stick. I basically have a "three strikes and you're out rule". If I fail to patch a leak twice, I throw it out on the third time! There's no point worrying about these occasional recalcitrant leaks, but I save money, time, and waste by reusing most tubes. I use real patches (not the glueless kind), and I always buff the tube with sandpaper. I typically wait only about 1 minute for the glue to dry, and I blow on it gently to speed it up. I like the Performance Bike patch kits the best. |
I usually use them until one of the following happen:
1) I get a leak that can't be fixed by a patch 2) One of the previous patches starts leaking 3) I psychologically think I am slowing down because my wheel is heavier from too many patches |
Originally Posted by moxfyre
(Post 5116544)
I always reuse 'em! Most last practically forever, so reusing them is not only cheap and less wasteful, I don't have to make the effort of removing and replacing the tube.
On the other hand, I do occasionally have patches refuse to stick. I basically have a "three strikes and you're out rule". If I fail to patch a leak twice, I throw it out on the third time! There's no point worrying about these occasional recalcitrant leaks, but I save money, time, and waste by reusing most tubes. I use real patches (not the glueless kind), and I always buff the tube with sandpaper. I typically wait only about 1 minute for the glue to dry, and I blow on it gently to speed it up. I like the Performance Bike patch kits the best. |
I reuse up to 3 or 4 patches. Eventually, I give in and replace the tube although I don't know that it's necessary most of the time.
... Brad |
Originally Posted by cyccommute
(Post 5116561)
Wait a little longer (the glue should have a matt finish) for the glue and you won't have any problems. Use Rema TipTops and you'll absolutely never have problems;)
What are Rema Tip Tops? Google gets me some automotive/industrial stuff, but nothing bike related. Hmmm... |
I carry a "new" (possibly new, possibly previously patched) tube with me and use it if I need it on my ride. When I get home it goes into the pile and when I have some free time I patch them all and recycle them to the "new" pile. Tubes are cheap, but patches are cheaper and I cringe at the amount of tubes we throw away at the shop every day so I re-use my own as much as possible
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I've had tubes with over 40 patches on them. I just keep going until they fail at the valve stem. It was great when I was commuting on an MTB. I used the really cheap car tube patches that were so thick a simple goat head thorn would not go through them if you scratched the tip off on the inside of the tire. I rarely buy tubes anymore. I just recycle tubes people have left on the roadside.
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One comment for you guys to think about: If I just swap out a tube on the road, when I patch the old tube at home, I swap it back. This may seem weird, but that way I KNOW that both tubes work. I didn't use to do this, and when I flatted on mt mtb one day, I went to swap tubes only to find a tear at the valve as well.
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Originally Posted by moxfyre
(Post 5117081)
Yeah, it's true that I am often impatient when patching in the field, and it's likely that my occasional patch failures are caused by this! Fortunately, I hardly ever get flats anymore thanks to better tire choices.
What are Rema Tip Tops? Google gets me some automotive/industrial stuff, but nothing bike related. Hmmm... |
Originally Posted by moxfyre
(Post 5116544)
I always reuse 'em! Most last practically forever, so reusing them is not only cheap and less wasteful, I don't have to make the effort of removing and replacing the tube.
On the other hand, I do occasionally have patches refuse to stick. I basically have a "three strikes and you're out rule". If I fail to patch a leak twice, I throw it out on the third time! There's no point worrying about these occasional recalcitrant leaks, but I save money, time, and waste by reusing most tubes. I use real patches (not the glueless kind), and I always buff the tube with sandpaper. I typically wait only about 1 minute for the glue to dry, and I blow on it gently to speed it up. I like the Performance Bike patch kits the best. I had a few patches that wouldn't stick. Then I learned to clean the tube around the puncture with alcohol, and since then, all patches lasted forever and a half. I have bikes with tubes with 5 patches (I "inherited" 4 of them) and the tube is still going strong, after 1 year of my use, and 7 years of the other guy's use. Patched tubes FTW! :) I think the "clean with alcohol" tip is going into the tip thread... |
Originally Posted by wroomwroomoops
(Post 5119744)
I had a few patches that wouldn't stick. Then I learned to clean the tube around the puncture with alcohol, and since then, all patches lasted forever and a half.
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Looks nice! Is it the star shape of the patches that makes them extra good, or what?
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I think Rema Tip Tops might be better because of their chemistry rather than the shape. The red portion, when it hits the rubber cement, essentially goes to liquid and then resolidifies.
No other patch kit comes close. I've used them pretty well exclusively for nearly 30 years. When forced to buy some other type, regretted the purchase. . . |
Originally Posted by Steve Hamlin
(Post 5121240)
I think Rema Tip Tops might be better because of their chemistry rather than the shape. The red portion, when it hits the rubber cement, essentially goes to liquid and then resolidifies.
No other patch kit comes close. I've used them pretty well exclusively for nearly 30 years. When forced to buy some other type, regretted the purchase. . . |
I reuse, unless the presta valve pulls out :(
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This may sound a little..I don't know...elitist or whatever (I'm sure you all will come up with a better word) but I never patch tubes other than it is my second flat on a ride and I need to get home.
My team is sponsored by Continental (www.teamfujitaiwan.com) so we get tubes by the box so cost isn't an issue. As far as recycling goes, here is Asia, things work a little bit differently. A tube has so many applications beyond holding air. If I wanted to lash a stack of cardboard, or bamboo to the back of my trike, or my scooter, a tube would come in handy. If I want to hold down the tarp that I have thrown over whatever it is I have in the back of my truck, a tube comes in handy. If I want to do any number of other things that requires something strong and elastic, a tube comes in handy. What I usually do after I flat, is stuff the tube in my jersey pocket and when I pass through a village on my way somewhere, I toss it on the ground near a large garbage can by the side of the road. I know this thing is a useful item that will recovered by someones grama before I am even home. |
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Originally Posted by Bob Dopolina
(Post 5121574)
My team is sponsored by Continental (www.teamfujitaiwan.com) so we get tubes by the box so cost isn't an issue.
I worked for two years at a summer camp in the Poconos, which frequently gave up on its cranky commercial dishwashers, and used styrofoam plates and plastic silverware to serve several THOUSAND meals a day... often for a week or two at a time. Don't they realize how WASTEFUL that is, I wondered?? Isn't the COST alone an issue? At the end of working there, I found out that the namesake of the camp, its main benefactor, was a family that had made their fortune in the disposable plate industry. Go figure :rolleyes: |
I have a total of 8 tubes I think. Most have at least 3 patches on them, one has 6 patches. I carry 2 tubes in my seat bag. When I have 3 or more tubes that need patches, I sit down and patch them all. Make sure I have 2 in the seat bag and I am ready to roll.
I tend to only throw them out when the are no longer able to be patched. Things like a bad stem/hole at base of stem, hole right next to a previous patch or a hole to big to be patched, etc |
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