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Old 01-09-08, 04:54 PM
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144 spokes.

anyone have any idea of the feasability of marking and drilling a 700 or 27" road rim to radially lace a 144 spoke lowrider hub to it? i know this is completely ********...
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Old 01-09-08, 07:11 PM
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It will be pretty hard because one spoke hole will end up where the valve stem hole is. Roger
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Old 01-09-08, 07:40 PM
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Could you get around the valve hole problem by welding that hole shut, drilling a new valve hole to one side, then putting in the gross (of) holes you desire?
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To avoid the valve hole, you'd need a rim with a number of holes that when multiplied by an odd integer equals 144. That way, you'd drill an even number of holes (the odd integer minus 1) between the original holes, bypassing the valve.

So, that pretty much leaves you with a 48-hole rim (48*3=144) and 16-hole rim (16*9=144). I wonder if there's really enough material to safely add 8 more holes between the original holes on a 16-hole rim. But Sheldon says these "boutique" rims are generally heavier and stronger than traditional (28+ hole) rims.
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To avoid the valve hole, you'd need a rim with a number of holes that when multiplied by an odd integer equals 144. That way, you'd drill an even number of holes (the odd integer minus 1) between the original holes, bypassing the valve.

So, that pretty much leaves you with a 48-hole rim (48*3=144) and 16-hole rim (16*9=144). I wonder if there's really enough material to safely add 8 more holes between the original holes on a 16-hole rim. But Sheldon says these "boutique" rims are generally heavier and stronger than traditional (28+ hole) rims.
I can tell you that at one point in time tandem riders tried building 95 spoke wheels (the valve hole eliminated 1 spoke). They tended to crack at the spoke bed because drilling that many spoke holes removed too much material.
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Old 01-09-08, 08:31 PM
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I took my 36 hole, non-aero 700c rim and did some measurements and calculations to see what a 144-hole rim would look like.

With 36H, the holes are spaced about 52mm (c-c) apart from one another and the holes themselves are just under 4mm wide, so the amount of material is 48mm (52 reduced by half the width of each adjacent hole).

Adding 3 more holes in that space ((1+3)*36=144), reduces the material by another 12mm (3H*4mm), so now the remaining material is 36mm. Divide that by 4 (the number of distinct spaces) and that leaves 9mm between each hole. That's what a 144-hole rim would like: 4mm holes followed by 9mm of material (give or take a bit).

I must be bored.

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Old 01-10-08, 01:50 AM
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It's not a technical problem making rims that would work with that many spokes: just make the walls thicker and/or use a stronger material, like titanium, and voila.

It's just that nobody makes such a rim.


BTW - 144 spoked rims, if they could be made to work, would look totally sick. I'd love to rock one or two like that.
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Even if you can put 144 holes in the rim, how are you going to get 144 holes in the hub flanges?
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Old 01-10-08, 09:50 AM
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Use something like this

http://www.charlespurtonimports.com....ils.asp?id=114

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Also appears that the spoke holes are offset to each side of the rim.
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Old 01-10-08, 09:56 AM
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^^^Holy carp! It DOES look rad! It would be even nicer in 700c (that's a 20" wheel on the pic).
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Old 01-10-08, 10:01 AM
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This one is possibly even better looking, and the valve problem is elegantly solved:
http://www.charlespurtonimports.com....ils.asp?id=285
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Old 01-11-08, 03:08 PM
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yeah, i would use a 144 hole hub made for a smaller lowrider rim.
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Old 01-11-08, 04:58 PM
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looks really cool. I hope you can make it work.

now if they could make the spokes bladed, it might even be aerodynamic.

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