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Old 01-20-08, 10:18 PM
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10 sp Campagnolo downtube shifters

I can't find the thread to save my life....I am pretty sure that I read on here that to make the campagnolo 8 speed downtube shifters work with 10 speed, one can purchase the 10 speed indexed gear from their current 10 speed compatible bar-end shifters and swap it in. Can anyone confirm this?

I just found my old Campag. Downtube shifters and would like to put them to use on another bike. I have a 10 speed wheel set living the good life with tubulars that need use before the dry out!

PS: all i see for sale is the 9sp gear for DT/Bar-end use
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HI...

index??? why do u want index?? Campy shifters works perfect in retrofriction mode, I cant understant why u might need index, probably im wrong but campy havent produced downshifters since centuries ago but well, u want 10 sp campy indexed shifters...

Old school says never use the index, why? that thing never work that right, if u do a little change or the the cables started to get old the index fails. Besides, it is too cool to just know how much to move the lever to get the shift done... looks more PROFESIONAL ...

Now seriously, u wont find a D/T shifter ever, probably shimano made them at some point and adapt one the way u think will be a PITA. My advice? Get an old campy record or probably an old shimano durace and use them in retrofriction mode and forget the index. In retrofriction will work fine all the time. CLIC CLIC CLIC CLIC....

Buena suerte mi amigo, por si acaso castellano es mi 2do idioma, ingles el 3ero

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Campagnolo still makes 10-spd Barend shifters. If you take the rubber cover off, they will work like DT shifters - with the clickity-click-click.
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Originally Posted by Bob Dopolina View Post
Campagnolo still makes 10-spd Barend shifters. If you take the rubber cover off, they will work like DT shifters - with the clickity-click-click.
All you need are the little bracket/stop to mount on the down tube boss. Basically, Campy barcons are downtube ****ers.

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index??? why do u want index?? Campy shifters works perfect in retrofriction mode, I cant understant why u might need index, probably im wrong but campy havent produced downshifters since centuries ago but well, u want 10 sp campy indexed shifters...
Campy hasn't made friction shifter since the mid ninties. The last generation Ergo DT shifters had the cable adjuster on the right/rear. There was no friction mode them.

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Now seriously, u wont find a D/T shifter ever, probably shimano made them at some point and adapt one the way u think will be a PITA. My advice? Get an old campy record or probably an old shimano durace and use them in retrofriction mode and forget the index.
The old Record are beautifull but can't pull enough cable to shift a 10 sp cassette. That's why Campy went to the larger diameter base on their Ergo shifters. You could wrap more cable on the large base.

If you have to have DT shifters a Shimano 10 sp version with a Shiftmate might work. But I suspect the OP was asking about Campy because he wanted an all Campy system.

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If you have to have DT shifters a Shimano 10 sp version with a Shiftmate might work. But I suspect the OP was asking about Campy because he wanted an all Campy system.
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Indeed I do! I have a set of 8sp DT shifters....I got them about 6 maybe 7 years ago. They have the large round base, but no cable adjuster on the lever. I used them with a 'bell-housing'-shaped hub on 8sp. and they worked great! Perfect shifting, maintenance free, simple. Now, I am looking to resurect that old bike on which the DT's were installed, and I actually found those old 8sp DT shifters. Since I have 10sp wheel sets, I dont want to spend $$ on an 8sp hub and 8sp cassettes...I'd rather use my existing stuff if I can and adapt. If I can swap that notched ring that provides the indexing wihth 10 sp spacing, it would be great!

Would there be enough cable pull on the large base DT shifter from 8 sp to 10sp? Is the range approx the same?







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index??? why do u want index??
Because I like indexed shifting.
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Originally Posted by ultraman6970 View Post
why do u want index?? ........ I cant understant why u might need index, ......but well, u want 10 sp campy indexed shifters... Old school says never use the index, why? that thing never work that right......
Isn't it a bit strange that you are recommending the most old-fashion retro type shifting method while writing in the style of the most cool, up-to-date 14 year old.

BTW, maybe you haven't really noticed, but indexing DOES work right and is both accurate and reliable.

Another flash; Campy Record friction downtube shifters were notorious for not holding their friction setting and allowing ghost shifting. Most Pros changed them out for Simplex shifters even on Campy sponsored bikes.

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Alright, let's get back to the OP original question:

I wanted to do this last year because I could pick up some 8s bar-ends at a good price, so I asked an LBS mechanic that I trust. Here's what he told me:

You can swap 9 and 10 speed back and forth by changing the indexing gear. You can not do this with the 8 speed shifters. So I ended up buying new 10s.

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Alright, let's get back to the OP original question:

I wanted to do this last year because I could pick up some 8s bar-ends at a good price, so I asked an LBS mechanic that I trust. Here's what he told me:

You can swap 9 and 10 speed back and forth by changing the indexing gear. You can not do this with the 8 speed shifters. So I ended up buying new 10s.

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Looking ta some close up pictured of the campag. 10sp bar-end shifters, they look almost identical to the DT shifters except they have the rubber coating. If I remove that rubber coating, does anyone know if it is, in fact, the same levers as the DT shifter levers? Its hard to get a sense of scale when looking at the pictures I have come accross.
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Originally Posted by rodri9o View Post
Looking ta some close up pictured of the campag. 10sp bar-end shifters, they look almost identical to the DT shifters except they have the rubber coating. If I remove that rubber coating, does anyone know if it is, in fact, the same levers as the DT shifter levers? Its hard to get a sense of scale when looking at the pictures I have come accross.
If you remove the rubber they are DT shifters. The newer version of DT shifters and current barcons, they have a cable adjuster, use 3 G-springs. The old version you have uses 2 springs. The gears are different. As far as I know, you can't use a 2 spring gear in a 3 spring shifter.

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Good Job on locating the article. The small gear for the index shifting for the DT and barend shifters is the same and will work for either. Read the complete artilcle from Branfordbike shown in the link and you will see that this is so. Also, go to the campyonly site and you can ask for some help there from the campy wonks...they are really good at answering your questions like this.
The 10 spd index shifting works well for the DT shifters or barcons. To test the recommendation of the DT purists I swapped out the left (friction) and right(indexed) campy barcon shifters and found I could shift in friction mode quite well BUT WHY?????? Sorry to the purists but after 50 years of riding 10 speeds (in the retro sense meaning actually 2x5 on my 69 Cinelli which I still ride on retro rides) some advances are just TOO GOOD to deny and index shifting with ergo levers is WAY TOO NICE when riding up a steep grade on a beautiful day...Sorry retro guys.
Back to the question at hand, contact Campyonly and Branford bike. Branford can build up your right DT Shifter with the right gear. Phone them they do a great job responding (and thank them for maintaining the great Branford website).
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If you remove the rubber they are DT shifters. The newer version of DT shifters and current barcons, they have a cable adjuster, use 3 G-springs. The old version you have uses 2 springs. The gears are different. As far as I know, you can't use a 2 spring gear in a 3 spring shifter.
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Right on Tim.
I just finally took the right lever apart, and sure as heck: 2 G-springs.
I will call Branford Bike tomorrow...worth a shot anyway...to see if the gears themselves are interchangeable...but if I had to guess, I'd have to agree with Tim...probably not.

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Right on Tim.
I just finally took the right lever apart, and sure as heck: 2 G-springs.
I will call Branford Bike tomorrow...worth a shot anyway...to see if the gears themselves are interchangeable...but if I had to guess, I'd have to agree with Tim...probably not.

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Read the whole link. You will see that the gears ARE interchangeable. He may have been referring to the fact that the Ergo shifters have limited ability to change out the gears.
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Read the whole link. You will see that the gears ARE interchangeable. He may have been referring to the fact that the Ergo shifters have limited ability to change out the gears.
2 spring and 3 spring gears are different. If you look closely, you'll see one has 3 rows of teeth and the other has two. Though you can physically put a 2 spring version in, it won't index properly.

I did read the link and didn't see where they mentioned 2 and 3 spring gears are interchangeable. What they did say was that 8,9 and 10 sp are interchangeable. Remember that the 9 sp gear is the old pre 2001 9 sp and only indexes with 8/9 sp pre 2001 rear derailleurs. Most of what I'm telling were lessons learned the hard way by trying to do the swap myself.

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Campagnolo Bar End shifters are currently only available in a 10 speed model.

8 and 9 speed models are no longer available.

Campagnolo never produced a 9 speed model for use with 2001 to current 9 speed rear derailleurs.

If you find a used 9 speed Campagnolo bar end shifter be sure to use it with a Campagnolo pre-2001 9 speed, or converted 8 speed, rear derailleur.

http://www.branfordbike.com/cgi-bin/...R_ID=198512033
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Campagnolo Bar End shifters are currently only available in a 10 speed model.

8 and 9 speed models are no longer available.

Campagnolo never produced a 9 speed model for use with 2001 to current 9 speed rear derailleurs.

If you find a used 9 speed Campagnolo bar end shifter be sure to use it with a Campagnolo pre-2001 9 speed, or converted 8 speed, rear derailleur.

http://www.branfordbike.com/cgi-bin/...R_ID=198512033
Amen, old 9 and new 9 don't work well togther. That's from the school of hard knocks.

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Amen, old 9 and new 9 don't work well togther. That's from the school of hard knocks.

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Thanks for posting info about pre 2001 vs 2001 campy shifters. That information is very hard to find and
it's so nice to have someone who can share their "hard knocks".

I also have some 9s bar ends that I'm also trying to use as DTs. In an (probably ill-advised attempt) to
re-orient their position, I took them apart before installing them on the DT. Now, after looking at the index
gear, I can't tell how to orient it.

Which notch is for 1st gear? The spacing between teeth on the index gear are not uniform and I've read that
campy shifters pull more cable for certain gears than others, so I'm assuming I can't just slide the index gear
into any position. But the burning question is what position SHOULD I slide it into?

Thanks, Michael.
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Ouch, I can't remember off hand but it has something to do with the triangle/arrow on the gear. Somewhere out in cyberspace there is a real photo of the proper orientation. I will see if I can find it for you.
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Try this site out first. At the bottom of the page are more links.

http://www.tearsforgears.com/2005/11...-shifters.html
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Thanks Tim. I'd seen his site before (he helped me decide not to get Syncros. That and
the price but couldn't find it. I'll try him out.
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