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Old 03-17-08, 08:24 PM
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How many hours would be needed for a complete overhaul & how much would that cost?

For a road bike... Just wondering how many hours it would take for a complete overhaul. And by complete, I mean complete. All the parts on the frame will be taken off. Regreased. Replace cables & housing for the brakes & shifters, new BB, new headset, adjust headset, regrease all bearings, new bar tape, etc..

1) How many hours will all this take?
2) How much is the normal cost at a bike shop for all this?
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Old 03-17-08, 08:38 PM
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1) depends on the mechanic
2) depends on the shop


Also depends on the quality of the parts you want replaced. The difference in cost between a sora BB and Dura ace is quite noticeable. The same can be said between a no name headset and a chris king.

I would say normal shop this time of year (spring, beginning of riding season) and reasonable parts...

Your looking at maybe a week wait and at least $200 bucks in parts and labor.

Then again unless you left your bike outside all winter (and even if you did) You probably don't need a new headset and BB and a tune up w/ new cables in housing would suffice.

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Shops charge a lot for that *****. And you'd have to wait a week or so.

Maybe with the exception of BB and headset (the two more complicated jobs), I'd learn how to do all that on my own, step by step. Get the proper tools and then use online tutorials like Parktool.com. Saves a helluva lot of time and money. I overhauled my Bianchi San Lorenzo the other day after the winter season. Could've done it all in one day if it wasn't for the housing I had to wait til the next morning to buy from the LBS. It was fun, and not too hard. Keep in mind that I'm still in high school - if I can do it, most people probably would have no trouble.
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Depends on the bike and what needs to be overhauled. More and more parts are non-serviceable sealed bearings so there is less to overhaul.

Full overhauls take me about 2-3hrs. This includes new cables and housing, Hub overhauls, replacement of BB (if necessary), adjustment of gears and brakes, new chain, new cassette, new Chainrings (if necessary, add a few minutes there), new tape, tire. I also do double duty, mechanic and sales floor so my times are slightly inflated.

But, that 2-3hrs is really meaningless to you the customer. Most shops will do FIFO method of servicing bikes. Unless you are a PITA customer, expect your bike to be put in queue (I hate customers who bring in a bike for a full overhaul and say they will be back in an hour after they get lunch). Springtime wait time is usually 1-3 days in my shop, but in rare occasions 3-a week if we are overloaded.
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Wow! That is a lot of money! Well, I mean, to me that is a lot of money.

I realize there is a big difference in price between different components to replace (ex: top-of-the line bottom bracket vs. generic bottom bracket. I forgot to mention in the original post... I'm just wondering how much it would normally cost (not including parts).

So, basically it's $200-$300 for 2-3 hours of work?!?! And not including parts, right?! Or, if the price estimate listed is in fact including parts, what is the rough costs not including parts?
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Originally Posted by nitropowered View Post
Depends on the bike and what needs to be overhauled. More and more parts are non-serviceable sealed bearings so there is less to overhaul.

Full overhauls take me about 2-3hrs. This includes new cables and housing, Hub overhauls, replacement of BB (if necessary), adjustment of gears and brakes, new chain, new cassette, new Chainrings (if necessary, add a few minutes there), new tape, tire. I also do double duty, mechanic and sales floor so my times are slightly inflated.

But, that 2-3hrs is really meaningless to you the customer. Most shops will do FIFO method of servicing bikes. Unless you are a PITA customer, expect your bike to be put in queue (I hate customers who bring in a bike for a full overhaul and say they will be back in an hour after they get lunch). Springtime wait time is usually 1-3 days in my shop, but in rare occasions 3-a week if we are overloaded.
I'll second this statement. And a proviso, if you decide to go with a shop overhaul do it NOW and not in may when everyone else is getting theirs done.
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$Our rate is around $100-120 for an overhaul package for the labor (suspension rebuilds, brake bleeds extra, though roadies don't have to worry about it). But again you still need the bearings ($.10 a ball), cables and housing ($0.60/ft brake housing, $2.00/ft shift, $3/cable), bar tape (~$15, might be able to salvage old tape depending on brand and how old it is.), brake pads ($10-15 a pair) etc.

You know, what good is paying all that money to get an overhaul if you don't get new cables/housing/bartape/bearings. A good shop will offer free estimates.

Another option is ask if your shop does workshops. Our biggest class package basically goes over an entire bike overhaul. We overhaul your bike step by step. If your bike has more modern equipment (like sealed hub bearings) I try to find an old wheel and teach you how to overhaul a cup and cone bearing hub/bb/headset.
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Also keep in mind: Some overhauls take 2 hours (or less), others take 4 (or more). What you pay for is the average, meaning sometimes you get a deal, sometimes you pay for convenience.
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You usually get not only hours but a trained eye to spot trouble during the overhaul. I do all my own maintenance and have for years. I maintain my bike pretty well so everything lasts seemingly forever. But, I watch the mechanics down at my LBS overhaul bikes that are in pretty bad shape...even relatively new ones that have been ridden hard. I have seen them catch bad cones, races, forks, etc that could cause an injury. If you have a good mechanic then you should not begrudge them an living wage.
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Old 03-18-08, 05:27 AM
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We charge $300 for this at our shop. Parts are included such as bearings for overhaul, cables + housing etc.
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Originally Posted by operator View Post
We charge $300 for this at our shop. Parts are included such as bearings for overhaul, cables + housing etc.
That's like $400 in US dollars.
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$300 is not a bad deal, assuming that everything is overhauled including full wheel service, new bearings everywhere and cables/housing.

3-4 hours for this isnt too unreasonable either.

As for the turnaround time, this obviously will vary depending on the number of rigs in the shop before yours
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Of course, you could just have them fix the things that are a problem.
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That's like $400 in US dollars.
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Originally Posted by Wordbiker View Post
Also keep in mind: Some overhauls take 2 hours (or less), others take 4 (or more). What you pay for is the average, meaning sometimes you get a deal, sometimes you pay for convenience.
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Originally Posted by tkncwa View Post
$300 is not a bad deal, assuming that everything is overhauled including full wheel service, new bearings everywhere and cables/housing.

3-4 hours for this isnt too unreasonable either.

As for the turnaround time, this obviously will vary depending on the number of rigs in the shop before yours
Mechanics are alloted up to an entire work day to do a $300 everything o/h. Course it'd be better the less time it took.
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At our shop, a complete overhaul is 50 euros in labor plus parts. This means I have to do the job in just under two hours. While I would get away with this on a modern road bike, in practise this is almost never the case.

the trade off is that we tend to use new parts whenever plausible/possible because it makes the end result so much better. If you replace a casette and chain but leave the iffy shifter cable on because you want to save the customer a few bucks, you ususally end up spending way too much time trying to adjust the shifting with the almost worn cable.

A touring, trekking bike that has been to hell and back will take me much more than two hours on account of rusty, damaged bolts, nuts etc. The overhaul includes a complete tear down, complete hub overhaul, removing BB even if it is spinning fine to check if the shell has ben chased, faced. If not, we do that.

Sometimes you get lucky and all goes pretty smoothly, sometimes a bike fights you till the end and an overhaul will take 3 to 4 hours.
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$400 for 2 hours of work?! Where do I sign up to be a mechanic. These guys make the same as doctors and lawyers!
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$400 for 2 hours of work?! Where do I sign up to be a mechanic. These guys make the same as doctors and lawyers!
The truth is your mechanic earns $10-15/hour and he is not interested in fixing your problems.
It's much easier for him to throw away your parts instead of fixing and adjusting them and install new ones.

When I do a complete overhaul myself, it can take days.
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When I do a complete overhaul myself, it can take days.
Not knocking your work or habits, but that seems like a major waste of time/money. Im all for being thorough and reusing parts, but to take that long doesnt make alot sense.
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Originally Posted by bellweatherman View Post
Wow! That is a lot of money! Well, I mean, to me that is a lot of money.

I realize there is a big difference in price between different components to replace (ex: top-of-the line bottom bracket vs. generic bottom bracket. I forgot to mention in the original post... I'm just wondering how much it would normally cost (not including parts).

So, basically it's $200-$300 for 2-3 hours of work?!?! And not including parts, right?! Or, if the price estimate listed is in fact including parts, what is the rough costs not including parts?
No, basically it's $20-$30 dollars an hour for the work, and some $20-$30 per hour for the space to do it and the electricity for the lighting and heat, and some $20-$30 per hour for the shop owner, and finally perhaps $40-$60 per hour for the knowledge of how to do it, plus grease, bearings and rags etc.

That "knowledge" is priceless, but you have to pay something for it...

Of course you could take that same $200-$300 and buy yourself some nice tools and sit down with a good book and slowly learn how to do it yourself. But that would take time, eh?
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With a "kit" toolset you can probably do most of that yourself and the savings will pay for the tools. You'll really get to know your bike which may come in handy when there is a problem out on a ride. The one exception would be the headset. The tools to remove and replace it are expensive and will not be used often. Have a shop do this, unless the races are in good shape. Then you can clean it, get new retainers &/or balls, grease everything and reassemble. bk
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$400 for 2 hours of work?! Where do I sign up to be a mechanic. These guys make the same as doctors and lawyers!
The mechanic makes around $30-$40 tops for 2 hours.
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This summer I refitted my mtb to a touring config. and all the parts alone was about $500. I looked for bargins and clearnance sales. Even doing it youself can get pricey.
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Originally Posted by tkncwa View Post
Not knocking your work or habits, but that seems like a major waste of time/money. Im all for being thorough and reusing parts, but to take that long doesnt make alot sense.
That's the difference between a mediocre job that most mechanics do and a good job.
For example, if I change a brake cable, I have to adjust the brakes once and then again in a week.
When I go to a reputable bike shop and check bikes' brakes, even when bikes cost $5,000, they are usually poorly adjusted.
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