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Old 03-31-08, 10:09 PM
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Wheel Lacing Inquiry

Could you lace a wheel so that no spokes contact the other spoke at the layover point using a 2x pattern and if so; how would the wheel react?

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Any opinions regarding who makes the best spoke these days?

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Old 03-31-08, 10:20 PM
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It would generally be fine, but probably less durable. The interference crossing helps keep tension higher when you have a big hit. The spokes are just less likely to go slack because they're being pulled in the middle by their mate.
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Originally Posted by waterrockets
It would generally be fine, but probably less durable. The interference crossing helps keep tension higher when you have a big hit. The spokes are just less likely to go slack because they're being pulled in the middle by their mate.
Second...


and your other question:

DT Swiss or Sapim
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Originally Posted by GMM
Any opinions regarding who makes the best spoke these days?
DT, Wheelsmith and Sipam are all very high quality and about equal to each other. Any of them would be a good choice.
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Nashbar has had some good prices on Wheelsmith spokes for a couple months now. 2.0/1.7/2.0 are a nice choice, and I built my PowerTap rear using some.
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Originally Posted by HillRider
DT, Wheelsmith and Sipam are all very high quality and about equal to each other. Any of them would be a good choice.
Check the packaging quantities. Buy whichever comes closest to the exact number that you need.
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I've tried both

Originally Posted by waterrockets
It would generally be fine, but probably less durable. The interference crossing helps keep tension higher when you have a big hit. The spokes are just less likely to go slack because they're being pulled in the middle by their mate.
I've built wheels with the crosses not laced and found no difference in the durability. The biggest issue in wheel durability, in my experience, is rim quality. Sturdy rims last forever, cheap or excessively lightweight rims are problematic.

Just my experience.
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Originally Posted by GMM
Could you lace a wheel so that no spokes contact the other spoke at the layover point using a 2x pattern ?
Sure, just not do that over-under thingy.

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...how would the wheel react?
If it's a highly dished rear wheel you might get a vibration noise from the spokes hitting each other when you're pushing hard at speed. Can be cured with higher spoke tension if the rest of the parts can stand that.

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Any opinions regarding who makes the best spoke these days?
I like DT, but I've never heard anyone say something bad about Sapim either. (well, apart from grumbling over the price that is.)
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Thanks folks, here's another:

What exactly is spoke prep? is it wax, grease or other and should you apply it to the nipple/rim contact area too? Can you sub with a dry lube like graphic or silicone spray?

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It's like a lube that becomes a very mild loctite when it dries. It seems to me that it keeps the spokes from unwinding while riding but also doesn't bind when truing the wheel. I've heard linseed oil is a good substitute. Also, others prefer to simply lube spokes with WD40 but that seems to leave it vulnerable to unwinding in my opinion.

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