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Slackerprince 07-27-08 11:24 AM

Garage Work-Light Questions
 
I am interested in a work light for the garage now that I have been doing more repairs myself.
I looked at some Craftsman, but some of the pedestals got terrible reviews for plastic parts and pins that broke easily.
Thinking about going to Lowe's or Home Depot for a Halogen light. They have several for under $20. I don't need anything super fancy, and was prepared to spend a hundred bucks, but looking around have found plenty of lighting for under $50.
Wondering whether I need 250, 500, or 1000 watts. Kidding, I think 1000 would be overkill, but I live in Florida, and the garage has no A/C, just cooled with 2 fans. I don't want a dang sun-lamp over my shoulder.
Is Halogen too hot, and should I be looking at flourescent?
Is 250 watts plenty of juice for basic bicycle work?
I want to mount on the ceiling, which is finished with basic drywall/plaster. Should I just get a single light with a pedestal, or use a floor model tilted up?
So, recommendations on lights?:thumb:
What do you use?
Thanks.

Slackerprince

jsharr 07-27-08 11:31 AM

I use a flourscent fixture that uses the 4' long tubes. I just hung it from the ceiling with chains.

dscheidt 07-27-08 11:46 AM

I hate point source lighting. I can't stand the glare. I've got a number of twin-tube 4' fluorescent lghts hanging from the garage ceiling. Try and put one directly over where you work on the bike. If you've got a bench, get another over it. You want the sort with an electronic ballast (less/no flickering, no chance of it ever humming or buzzing, more efficient, works in the cold (not a problem in tampa, I guess...)) that will drive t8 bulbs (the thinner, one inch thick ones. They use less power for the same amount of light.). My local big box hardware places have them from $15 to 30 a pop, depending on how ugly you're willing to get, and how it's turned on and off. For the times that I really have to have a point light, I use an old fashioned trouble light, with a modern CFL bulb (doesn't break as easily as light bulb filament.)

DannoXYZ 07-27-08 12:04 PM

You can get 4' flourescent lights from Lowe's for like $9. Get two of them and place them on opposite sides of your workspace and everything will be evenly lit with no shadows. Hang them from the ceiling or mount them on the wall about 2-3' from the top.

Jeff Wills 07-27-08 12:50 PM


Originally Posted by DannoXYZ (Post 7145061)
You can get 4' flourescent lights from Lowe's for like $9. Get two of them and place them on opposite sides of your workspace and everything will be evenly lit with no shadows. Hang them from the ceiling or mount them on the wall about 2-3' from the top.

Same here. The ceiling of my garage was drywalled, so I put on a coat of white paint before I put up a couple fixtures I got for about $5 each at the local house-parts-recycling place. I did a little wiring and voilą!- as light as day during the long winter nights.

Jeff

roadfix 07-27-08 01:18 PM

Flourescent lighting fixtures (single/double shop lites, 4 or 8 footers) hung from or mounted on the celing are best. Halogen work lights are too harsh and very spotty. I don't like them for bike work.

kenhill3 07-27-08 01:33 PM


Originally Posted by dscheidt (Post 7144967)
I hate point source lighting. I can't stand the glare. I've got a number of twin-tube 4' fluorescent lghts hanging from the garage ceiling. Try and put one directly over where you work on the bike. If you've got a bench, get another over it. You want the sort with an electronic ballast (less/no flickering, no chance of it ever humming or buzzing, more efficient, works in the cold (not a problem in tampa, I guess...)) that will drive t8 bulbs (the thinner, one inch thick ones. They use less power for the same amount of light.). My local big box hardware places have them from $15 to 30 a pop, depending on how ugly you're willing to get, and how it's turned on and off. For the times that I really have to have a point light, I use an old fashioned trouble light, with a modern CFL bulb (doesn't break as easily as light bulb filament.)


+1. The electronic ballasts with T-8 fluorescents are the way to go. These do flicker, but you won't notice because they're at like 20,000 cycles as opposed to 60 with the old standard T-12 (1.5" dia.) bulbs. :)

wmodavis 07-27-08 01:43 PM

+1 for the long tube florescents ( I use 8' tubes) as they will reduce shadows, are not that expensive, relatively energy efficient, produce less heat for the amount of light (i.e. more efficient - or did I already say that?), and therefore easier on your eyes and pocketbook.
Bill

cyccommute 07-27-08 01:48 PM


Originally Posted by roadfix (Post 7145424)
Flourescent lighting fixtures (single/double shop lites, 4 or 8 footers) hung from or mounted on the celing are best. Halogen work lights are too harsh and very spotty. I don't like them for bike work.

Not to mention that the halogen lamps are very hot. Great for winter...not so good for summer.

doco 07-27-08 01:49 PM

skip the halogens..I am using them for my ebay picture lighting

the heat they put off is amazing, my room temps goe up drastically

HillRider 07-27-08 01:51 PM


Originally Posted by roadfix (Post 7145424)
Flourescent lighting fixtures (single/double shop lites, 4 or 8 footers) hung from or mounted on the celing are best. Halogen work lights are too harsh and very spotty. I don't like them for bike work.

Same here. I have two 2' fluorescent double tube fixtures hung from chains from my garage ceiling and they give plenty of even, non-glare light. If your garage is big or has a high ceiling, perhaps 4' double tube units would be better.

I agree that halogens are too hot and too much like spotlights to be of much use. Also fluorescents consume much less power. A 2' tube is only 20 watts and a 4' is 40 watts so you will probably need only 80 to 160 total watts which is way under what the halogens would consume. Finally, double fluorescents units are much cheaper to buy than halogen lights too.

A good flashlight (I like the 1W or 3W LED-type) is a handy supplement for looking into tight places and the interior of tubes, etc. but the overhead lights will be plenty for almost everything you do.

wrk101 07-27-08 02:02 PM

+1 Fluorescents. Then get a trouble light on a reel, mount that on the ceiling somewhere from a hook. That is good for close work/inspections, etc.

+1 small LED flashlight for looking down seat tubes, etc. Can be had from Big Lots or similar for $5 or less.

Slackerprince 07-27-08 04:19 PM

Flourescent it is.
Thanks!


S.

Grand Bois 07-27-08 04:43 PM

I have 14 4 foot fluorescent tubes in my two car garage and it's still not enough. The walls and ceiling are not finished. I'm sure that white-painted drywall would make a big difference. My old shop was larger, but finished and painted white and four 8 foot tubes was pleanty.

J T CUNNINGHAM 07-27-08 05:47 PM

What you need in Florida is 4 foot Daylight Deluxe colour tubes.

They will give you a "cooler", appearing light than any of the other temperatures,

eg Warm White, Cool White, etc.

Also, when they start to burn out, trying to carry 4 foot tubes is much easier that 8 foot.


Regards,
J T

roadfix 07-27-08 05:55 PM


Originally Posted by J T CUNNINGHAM (Post 7146675)

Also, when they start to burn out, trying to carry 4 foot tubes is much easier that 8 foot.

That can be a problem if you don't have an Es U Vee.... :p

DannoXYZ 07-27-08 05:58 PM


Originally Posted by Dirtdrop (Post 7146360)
I have 14 4 foot fluorescent tubes in my two car garage and it's still not enough. The walls and ceiling are not finished. I'm sure that white-painted drywall would make a big difference. My old shop was larger, but finished and painted white and four 8 foot tubes was pleanty.

I think in your case, you need a light like this:

http://www.spacesearch.com/images/an...tandsupply.jpg
http://www.spacesearch.com/images/an...7_23_05_As.jpg
http://www.spacesearch.com/images/an...7_23_05_Bs.jpghttp://www.spacesearch.com/images/an...7_23_05_Cs.jpg

Slackerprince 07-27-08 11:57 PM


You're a Madman!
Keep up the good work.


S.

BCRider 07-28-08 12:49 AM

When you buy your flourescent fixtures don't be afraid to pay a little more for the middle priced versions intended for workshop use. I bought some of the real cheapies for the basement and they just do not put out the amount of light I thought they should. However when I bought one for over the bench I paid around $25 and got a fixture that really made the two 4 foot tubes light up the world. I'm now a believer that flourescent fixtures to some extent are a "you get what you pay for" sort of deal.

You'll also likely find that you want more than you think you'll need. For an average one car garage I'd suggest five 4 foot units. One over the bench at the end of the garage and the other 4 spaced about 1/4 way in from the walls on either side and spaced evenly lengthwise. Adjust that to suit what you have and want to light up.

jsmithepa 07-28-08 03:18 AM


Originally Posted by Slackerprince (Post 7144847)
Iwas prepared to spend a hundred bucks

Totally unecessary overkill. HALOGEN!?!! Am glad common sense prevailed and/or everyone talked u into Fluorescent.

If u have money to thrown, spend it on good stand, a wheel trueing stand, or some fancy lightings/background so u can take pictures like 55/Rad.

wlhutch 07-28-08 03:27 AM

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y66...h/flooring.jpg http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y66...hopceiling.jpg

I recently finished my garage/shop. These are the before and after pics of lighting. The T8 fixtures made a world of difference.

jens5 07-28-08 06:43 AM


Originally Posted by jsharr (Post 7144889)
I use a flourscent fixture that uses the 4' long tubes. I just hung it from the ceiling with chains.

Same here

DMF 07-29-08 12:52 PM


Originally Posted by wmodavis (Post 7145540)
+1 for the long tube florescents ( I use 8' tubes) as they will reduce shadows, are not that expensive, relatively energy efficient, produce less heat for the amount of light (i.e. more efficient - or did I already say that?), and therefore easier on your eyes and pocketbook.
Bill

Agreed. I use the 8' 2-tube ones from HD that have a reflector - important since the shop ceiling is unfinished - hung with chains.

HD also sells clear plastic protector tubes that slip over the light tube. I've whacked the tubes pretty hard (mostly with 2x4s) and have yet to break one. :)

Mentor58 07-29-08 04:06 PM

I remember those pics Danno posted from a thread before on bicycle lights. IIRC it's a surplus spotlight from an Army tank. Would probably be good for stripping paint, getting a quick spot tan, cooking a thanksgiving turkey. :)

M58

lectraplayer 07-29-08 06:52 PM



I want one of those! :p Where can I get one? ;)

I like a Halogen standlight (I'll go down to 150 watts) for occasional work, but much prefer fluorescent or metal halide (for those big spaces, or a Wobble-light should I need that). Putting plenty of fluorescents everywhere is your best bet--you won't believe how bright 500 watts worth of 4' strip-lights are, especially those electronic T8's!


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