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Old 06-23-09, 10:57 PM
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kool stop brake pads

hey guys. i believe my rims are steel but would you recommend salmon color or black?? (we have barely no rain here)

and one more question. i wanna get a kool stop dura-ace/ultegra pads, but it seems like Jenson's don't have one with adapter(?). They only have the replacement. Can anyone tell me how i should install the replacement to my caliper brake?
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Old 06-23-09, 11:18 PM
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May as well go with Salmon. Here's some (comes with back-up black/salmon): https://www.biketiresdirect.com/pkshd...der_set/pp.htm
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The easiest way to check if whether you have steel rims is with a magnet. Steel is magnetic, alloy isn't.

Re the pads. The salmon ones are a bit stickier and better for the rain and possibly for chrome plated steel, but this comes at the expense of faster wear. For dry conditions the black ones are most commonly used. You might also consider the dual compound pads, for the best of both conditions.

The koolstop Dura Ace inserts will slide into your Dura Ace holders, and also some of the similar holders made by folks like Jagwire.
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Originally Posted by FBinNY View Post
The easiest way to check if whether you have steel rims is with a magnet. Steel is magnetic, alloy isn't.

Re the pads. The salmon ones are a bit stickier and better for the rain and possibly for chrome plated steel, but this comes at the expense of faster wear. For dry conditions the black ones are most commonly used. You might also consider the dual compound pads, for the best of both conditions.

The koolstop Dura Ace inserts will slide into your Dura Ace holders, and also some of the similar holders made by folks like Jagwire.

i'm a beginner and i'm thinking of riding 4 times or more a week. Do you recommend me using salmon, or carbon?
When you say the salmon wears the quickest, how long are you talking about?
Oh, and i don't have a dura ace holder, so i guess i can't get a dura ace pads..
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Originally Posted by kris cho View Post
i'm a beginner and i'm thinking of riding 4 times or more a week. Do you recommend me using salmon, or carbon?
When you say the salmon wears the quickest, how long are you talking about?
Oh, and i don't have a dura ace holder, so i guess i can't get a dura ace pads..
Definitely not carbon which are made specificly for carbon fiber rims.

You can choose between salmon, Black or dual compound. If you buy only inserts, they have to match your holders, otherwise buy complete shoes (pad and holder, or one piece molded) to fit your brakes.

You can visit the koolstop site www.koolstop.com and click on "rim pads" near the top to see pictures of the various types.

The salmon pads wear a bit faster but it's not an earthshaking difference.
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I have Kool Stop Black Eagle 2's on the rear and Aztec 2's on the front of my steel rim bike and they work great in the dry. If you are going to a symetrical cartridge system for the front, you can have matching Kool Stops F/R. Older bikes with steel rims generally can't use the asymetrical pads (longer rear section) on the front. Salmons do work/stop better, but I needed pads at that time and they were on sale plus the Salmons had to be special ordered. The dual compound (salmon and black) pads also work fine.
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Old 06-24-09, 01:05 PM
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Judging from the wear on my salmon Kool Stops, I'd judge that it takes several thousand miles of riding to wear them out.

I don't feel that brake pad durability should worry you too much. Bikes break down in more significant ways and/or get stolen often enough that periodic replacement of basically consumable bits (brake pads, tires, cables) are basically a trivial expense. I don't have experience with the black pads, but I can wholeheartedly endorse the salmon pads. They are one of my favorite bike products ever.
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Old 06-24-09, 02:40 PM
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The black or salmon question is a bit mysterious if you are not talking about performance in the rain. I have no idea what the performance issues would be with steel rims (whch don't work as well in the rain as aluminum rims do).

Note that aluminum is the standard rim material for "modern" bike.

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It looks like the salmon type might cause your brakes to squeal. It looks like that might be the only significant possible reason not to use the salmon.

It looks like the purpose of the "dual compound" (black and salmon) is to fix the squealing and retain the wet-weather performance of the salmon.

Note that the fact that a "dual compound" brake is made would seem to imply that there is some purpose/value for the black compound!

Note that the sqealing might only happen with the front brakes.

I'd say, in dry conditions, you won't see any difference in performance between the black and salmon.
Note that koolstop has three types of brake pads: 1) salmon (for better wet performance), 2) for carbon rims (a green color), and 3) normal (typically black but can be other colors other than salmon and green).

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I'm trying the salmon on my front cantelever brakes. If they squeal, I'll move them to the rear and try the dual compound.

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Old 06-24-09, 04:48 PM
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I would take any advice that says any specific pad "will squeal" with a grain of salt. Squealing pads has way more to do with the adjustment than the pad compound, in my experience. Changing pads fixing a squeal is, I believe, often a false positive; the act of changing pads includes readjusting them, and that fixes the noise more often than not.

Additionally, I feel like the Salmon pads work better in both wet and dry conditions.
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Old 06-24-09, 05:00 PM
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Originally Posted by enigmagic View Post
I would take any advice that says any specific pad "will squeal" with a grain of salt. Squealing pads has way more to do with the adjustment than the pad compound, in my experience. Changing pads fixing a squeal is, I believe, often a false positive; the act of changing pads includes readjusting them, and that fixes the noise more often than not.

Additionally, I feel like the Salmon pads work better in both wet and dry conditions.
I didn't say "will squeal". I said "might cause them to squeal" (important difference).

I'm not entirely sure about this but it appears that this is motivation behind the "dual compound" pads.

There can be multiple causes of squealing. In cantilever brakes, squealing can be a consequence of not enough "toe in". Note that caliper brakes have less adjustment opportunities.

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Additionally, I feel like the Salmon pads work better in both wet and dry conditions.
Better than what? The Koolstop black pads?

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Old 06-24-09, 08:46 PM
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I have seven bikes, all with Kool Stop pads. Some are salmon, some are black, some are gray. I don't notice any difference, but I never ride in the rain.
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Originally Posted by njkayaker View Post
I have no idea what the performance issues would be with steel rims (whch don't work as well in the rain as aluminum rims do).
I do: Salmon-compound Kool Stops dramatically improve braking performance in the wet with steel rims. My main mode of transportation is an old Raleigh 3-speed with the original (steel) wheels, and when coming up to a stop sign or red light in the rain, the Kool Stops are the difference between feeling like you're going to die and stopping with some controlled confidence. Steel rims still aren't as nice as aluminum alloy, but the difference is still huge.

In dry weather, as long as the surfaces aren't greasy and the rubber isn't hardened, even lousy brake pads do pretty well. One way to revive an old brake pad with with hardened surface rubber is to use a file or sandpaper to get to the soft rubber underneath.
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