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Old 01-29-10, 03:05 PM
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Originally Posted by noglider
What are open tubulars?
https://redkiteprayer.com/?p=1677

I'm thinking it's a folding clincher with a flexible hi TPI sidewall. Now you got me wondering if it's tubeless...

To the OP: Are you doing a 30 mile daily commute on the bike you want to use these tires on?

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Originally Posted by noglider
What are open tubulars?
An example is the Vittoria EVO CX. This tire is also available as a tubular. They use the same sidewall and tread with the tubular and clincher versions, they just make one into a tubular and one into a clincher. On the sidewalls of some EVO CX's, I've seen two different max. pressures listed, one stating "tubular max. pressure" and right beside it "clincher max. pressure," so clearly the same casing was being used for tubulars and clinchers. When you take one of these clinchers out of the box, it feels like a piece of fabric instead of a tire. The latest version of the EVO CX is 320 tpi.

Edit: to clarify, the clincher version of these tires is the open tubular.

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Originally Posted by ahsposo
Now you got me wondering if it's tubeless...
No, just a very nice clincher.
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+1 for the Open Tubulars. I just put some Specialized Mondo S-Works Open Tubular's on my new bike and they seem to roll a whole lot easier than the Vredestein Fortezza SE's I was using. Kind of expensive at $70 a tire but I got them free with some wheels I bought so I thought I'd give them a go. Now I'm thinking it's going to be tough to go back.
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Originally Posted by Al1943
When I replaced the Bontrager Race Lite tires on my wife's Trek with new Michelin Pro Race 2's she said it was the best thing I'd ever done for her.
Not sure what she meant by that.

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Those are 127 TPI, tyres probably roll significantly better than the majority of tyres that come stock on $1-$2k road bikes. If you want pure sex, go buy her some 300+ tpi tyres.
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Originally Posted by ahsposo
https://redkiteprayer.com/?p=1677

I'm thinking it's a folding clincher with a flexible hi TPI sidewall. Now you got me wondering if it's tubeless...

To the OP: Are you doing a 30 mile daily commute on the bike you want to use these tires on?
If you look closely at an "open tubular" you'll notice the construction is pretty much what you'd get if they split an actual tubular and then modified it to fit onto clincher rims. The tread that is affixed to the rest of the casing is precisely the same way they do it on a tubular.
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Originally Posted by operator
Those are 127 TPI, tyres probably roll significantly better than the majority of tyres that come stock on $1-$2k road bikes. If you want pure sex, go buy her some 300+ tpi tyres.
That may be your idea of "pure sex" but it's not mine.
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To the OP: Are you doing a 30 mile daily commute on the bike you want to use these tires on?
Sorta yeah, I just feel stupid if i spend extra money on nothing.
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To the OP: Are you doing a 30 mile daily commute on the bike you want to use these tires on?
Yeah, I just feel stupid if i spend extra money on nothing.
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I've never had huge issues with flats, but the Continental Grand Prix 4 Seasons on my commuter currently feel a lot better than the Specialized Armadillos I was using (though on a different bike). No flats in the 2000 miles I have on them so far. Certainly not a cheap tire but they are quite light for a 700x28 and their wear resistance seems great so far. I'm guessing I'll get at least 5000 miles out of them. I have put 10,000 miles on a pair of Armadillos though (without a flat too).
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"Open tubular"

As Bill Gates says, that's the stupidest thing I ever heard.

Tubular, in this context, means closed. Open Closed.

Next we'll have long shorties.

Or slow quickies?
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Originally Posted by noglider
"Open tubular"

As Bill Gates says, that's the stupidest thing I ever heard.

Tubular, in this context, means closed. Open Closed.

Next we'll have long shorties.

Or slow quickies?
Whatever you call them, they sure do ride nice.
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Originally Posted by noglider
"Open tubular"

As Bill Gates says, that's the stupidest thing I ever heard.

Tubular, in this context, means closed. Open Closed.

Next we'll have long shorties.

Or slow quickies?
We already have "stiff but compliant", so you shouldn't be surprised.
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Originally Posted by Al1943
When I replaced the Bontrager Race Lite tires on my wife's Trek with new Michelin Pro Race 2's she said it was the best thing I'd ever done for her. Not sure what she meant by that.

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Originally Posted by operator
Those are 127 TPI, tyres probably roll significantly better than the majority of tyres that come stock on $1-$2k road bikes. If you want pure sex, go buy her some 300+ tpi tyres.
As I've began to learn, after many years of marriage, women are from Venus. When women compliment, they are likely responding to the action rather than the details of the action. So, when Al1943's wife said it was the best thing Al1943 ever done for her, she may had liked the tire change rather the actual niceness of the replacement tire itself, even though I suspect the replacement could not be too shabby to qualify for the response. Nevertheless, an even nicer tire (such as the pure sex tire operator eludes to) would not have elicited a better response. Thus, it's better to save those pure sex tires for one's own use.

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Originally Posted by noglider
"Open tubular"

As Bill Gates says, that's the stupidest thing I ever heard.

Tubular, in this context, means closed. Open Closed.

Next we'll have long shorties.

Or slow quickies?
Clipless pedals?
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Originally Posted by ahsposo
Clipless pedals?
Hey, there ain't no toe clips on clipless pedals.
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Originally Posted by Mr. Fly
As I've began to learn, after many years of marriage, women are from Venus. When women compliment, they are likely responding to the action rather than the details of the action. So, when Al1943's wife said it was the best thing Al1943 ever done for her, she may had liked the tire change rather the actual niceness of the replacement tire itself, even though I suspect the replacement could not be too shabby to qualify for the response. Nevertheless, an even nicer tire (such as the pure sex tire operator eludes to) would not have elicited a better response. Thus, it's better to save those pure sex tires for one's own use.


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You need to contact Jay Leno. He's in need of some new material.
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Originally Posted by well biked
Hey, there ain't no toe clips on clipless pedals.
But you clip in to 'em...
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Originally Posted by ahsposo
But you clip in to 'em...
I wonder if they weren't called "clipless pedals," if the term "clipped in" would be used. I don't know what else you could say, though......"clicked in"? Nah. I don't know.
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The Nashbar Primas are a 66tpi tire with a bit less rolling resistance than some brands. They get a wear flat pretty quick, but that may indicate a softer grippier compound.

I have never flatted on 27" primas.

Their sidewall may be a bit more prone to tears than a Bell Streetster or Performance Forte kevlar or Vittoria Zaffiro which are 27tpi tires.

The $5 kendas seem to work pretty well, maybe because that old school center rib keeps the casing and tube away from most glass and other sharp objects. I do think, though, that there is a noticeable difference in rolling resistance.

Gatorskins ought to roll easier than a 27tpi tire with thickly rubberized sidewalls. They do seem to, but the fact that they have a flatproof liner may take away some of the advantage because when you ride the $5 kendas, you aren't deforming a flatproof liner just under the tread.
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Originally Posted by noglider
"Open tubular"

As Bill Gates says, that's the stupidest thing I ever heard.

Tubular, in this context, means closed. Open Closed.

Next we'll have long shorties.

Or slow quickies?
It's the stupidest thing you've ever heard, because you've never heard of it. That's the term that is used, and that is the term that is understood when a customer asks for an open tubular. The term is not useless. There's a reason, as I explained already above why it is called that.
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Originally Posted by Mr. Fly
As I've began to learn, after many years of marriage, women are from Venus. When women compliment, they are likely responding to the action rather than the details of the action. So, when Al1943's wife said it was the best thing Al1943 ever done for her, she may had liked the tire change rather the actual niceness of the replacement tire itself, even though I suspect the replacement could not be too shabby to qualify for the response. Nevertheless, an even nicer tire (such as the pure sex tire operator eludes to) would not have elicited a better response. Thus, it's better to save those pure sex tires for one's own use.

Next on Dr. Ruth...
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Now can you explain why girls think an open relationship actually means that she's going to be jealous at every other girl you attempt to see?
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Whatever you call them, they sure do ride nice.
We already have "stiff but compliant", so you shouldn't be surprised.
Heh. True.

They look really lovely. I rode tubulars, and I doubt I ever will again, but I do remember how nice they were. I'll give this new breed of tire a try. I may have to coin a new name for them. I can't bring myself to call them open tubulars. Are they hand made as tubulars were?

I have some NOS tubulars that are over 25 years old. I might get a pretty penny for them.
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Originally Posted by noglider
Heh. True.

They look really lovely. I rode tubulars, and I doubt I ever will again, but I do remember how nice they were. I'll give this new breed of tire a try. I may have to coin a new name for them. I can't bring myself to call them open tubulars. Are they hand made as tubulars were?

I have some NOS tubulars that are over 25 years old. I might get a pretty penny for them.
Check this brand out. I've ridden the Challenge Criterium open tubulars, and I've ridden the Vittoria Open Corsa EVO CX open tubulars. Both awesome tires, they'll spoil you. The Challenge tires are, I think, made at the old Clement factory. Yes, they're handmade.

https://www.challengetech.it/home.php
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Originally Posted by well biked
Check this brand out. I've ridden the Challenge Criterium open tubulars, and I've ridden the Vittoria Open Corsa EVO CX open tubulars. Both awesome tires, they'll spoil you. The Challenge tires are, I think, made at the old Clement factory. Yes, they're handmade.

https://www.challengetech.it/home.php
Challenge makes some good stuff thus far. I rode the challenge elite - 260tpi, bought the tyre new for $20. ****ing raging deal if you ask me.
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