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Old 03-03-10, 10:00 PM
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Good Alternative to Mavic Open Pro 36H

A while back I wore out an 36H open pro rim. The hub looks to be still in good shape and my intent had been to build it into a new open pro, having found them to be good rims. However, 36H open pros are nowhere to be found. I've had a couple on back order for a while but am about to surrender. Rather than cancel the order, I'd like to see if I can have the site replace with a different 36H rim already in stock. I am familar with DT Swiss, but the site only had 32H. They do have Velocity Fusion and Velocity Deep V in 36H so would be interested in comments on those. Any other recommendations for rims of approcimate quality and cost of open pro also would be welcome.
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Quality of an open pro? Rofl. You can buy quality for much less than the MSRP of those crappy rims. Alex DA28 for one. Alex DA22 for another. C$50'ish and C$30'ish. We built tons of fixed gear wheelsets for toronto messengers with those DA28's, they are ****ing bombproof. As to your fusion - no idea on those rims, but the Deep V's are tank ass heavy, expensive for their ****ty build quality but they are incredibly strong because of their downfalls.

Open pros should go the way of the dinosaur.

If you're optimizing for weight I have another laundry list for those - go look in the road forum for all their kinlin recommendations and IRD cadence rims. DT also has a new RR450 - that is 450g for a clincher. With 20mm'ish profile and is light.
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I've worked with the Fusion before. It builds much like the Deep V, but it's a little lighter and I suppose not quite as bombproof. It would be a fine alternative to the Open Pro with a small weight penalty. If you want a rim with very similar characteristics as the OP, Ambrosio makes the Excellight which I have found to be pretty decent, although its price seems to be rising to that of the overpriced Mavic and DT counterparts.
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Originally Posted by urbanknight View Post
I've worked with the Fusion before. It builds much like the Deep V, but it's a little lighter and I suppose not quite as bombproof. It would be a fine alternative to the Open Pro with a small weight penalty. If you want a rim with very similar characteristics as the OP, Ambrosio makes the Excellight which I have found to be pretty decent, although its price seems to be rising to that of the overpriced Mavic and DT counterparts.
Not to derail this thread but have you ever built any of the kinlin XR rims or IRD cadence? Reynolds carbon rims?
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Old 03-03-10, 11:30 PM
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Highly suggest the Velocity Fusion. Like urbanknight said, you may be compromising weight, but it is not substantial and the Fusions are beefier than the Open pro.
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Your LBS should have at least 2 or 3 option to get 36 hole Open Pro (silver or black). Open Pro still sets a very high industry standard. Your current cost can be $70 each or more. Available @ J&B Importers and of course Mavic. Your LBS should have a Mavic account. 36 Hole rims are available with Alex DA22 @435gr , DA28 (@480gr listed @ QBP & 420 on Alex web site), Mavic Open Pro @435gr , Weinmann LP-18 (weight ?), Velocity Dyad 480gr and there are a few Velocity Deep rim @520gr. Do not put much concern about the weight of the rims. Heavier usually means -- stronger , lasts longer , easier to build. Put more importance in the builder -- with rim and the spokes a little less important.

Several options - with Weinmann being the cheapest and DT Swiss being the most expensive. Go to another source/bike shop if you do not get fast quality service.

By the way -- when someone says that a certain rim is light. There are still sub 300gr 36 hole rims out there. Under 300 gm is getting light. The Mavic Open Pro in a good weight and a good rim and at a good price.
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Originally Posted by TLCFORBIKES View Post

By the way -- when someone says that a certain rim is light. There are still sub 300gr 36 hole rims out there. Under 300 gm is getting light. The Mavic Open Pro in a good weight and a good rim and at a good price.
Really? Like what? Sub 300g AL clinchers? The O-pro's suck for what they cost. Box section rim give me a break. You almost sound like a marketing exec with your press release type blurb about them.
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If it's for a front, I like the Velocity AeroHead at 400g... pretty cheap too, the last time I looked
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I forgot Vilocity Aerohead @425gm and the Fusion @475gr. Both come in 36 hole at a nice price. Velocity has made quality rims for years. Many colors available and easy to work with.
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Originally Posted by TLCFORBIKES View Post
I forgot Vilocity Aerohead @425gm and the Fusion @475gr. Both come in 36 hole at a nice price. Velocity has made quality rims for years. Many colors available and easy to work with.
Again what 36h sub 300g AL clinchers are you referring to?
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Many colours available is something of an understatement...
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Many colours available is something of an understatement...
Haha, in a year or two everyone will be back to the standard black/silver rims. You just wait.
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I sound like someone who know how to give my clients options. Been in the biz for 28 yrs and wrenching for 38 yrs etc etc etc. And you sound like a lonely Canadian. Nothing wrong with being a Canadian. I lived in Calgary for 6 yrs and loved every minute. Just chill out. It's late and this thread has shown DOS that he has options to stay with his first choice or go to any of the other quality selection of rims.

Say good night "operator" -- and we will chat more at another time.
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Originally Posted by TLCFORBIKES View Post
I sound like someone who know how to give my clients options. Been in the biz for 28 yrs and wrenching for 38 yrs etc etc etc. And you sound like a lonely Canadian. Nothing wrong with being a Canadian. I lived in Calgary for 6 yrs and loved every minute. Just chill out. It's late and this thread has shown DOS that he has options to stay with his first choice or go to any of the other quality selection of rims.

Say good night "operator" -- and we will chat more at another time.
I'm not lonely. I want to know what AL clinchers out there are sub 300 grams, real weight not claimed.
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I'd like to know too.
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Haha, in a year or two everyone will be back to the standard black/silver rims. You just wait.
No way. The fixie trendwh0res love those Velocity designs. (LOL, even wh0re is censored on this board)

I'd like to see em come up with Scotchbrite powdercoat...
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In my honest opinion, the Open Pro is really a racing clincher...not really an everyday clincher...because it is so damn light and soft. The same for the DT R 1.1...

I say look for something with the following specs:

1. 450g to 525g range...i.e., something a little beefier/heavier.
2. 622-15, 622-16, 622-17

Suggestions:

Mavic CXP-33
Velocity Fusion
DT RR-450 w/eyelets?
KinLin XR-240? (The aero rim in the 450-455g range? Don't have my catalog with me...)
Alex product w/ eyelets

Velocity DeepVs are heavy as Operator noted...and furthermore in the past 6 months the joint quality of ALL VELOCITY products has literally taken a dive off the cliff - my guess being that instead of putting in a new tooling line to meet demand - they spend up the existing ones sacrificing joint quality.

A shame really cause they had crossed the threshold from cheap rim / cheap price to brand-name rim / premium price and now have gone to cheap rim / premium price which quite frankly I simply will not tolerate. Didn't tolerate it way back when Mavic was producing M-261s and Open 4 CDs with crappy joint quality control.

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Not to derail this thread but have you ever built any of the kinlin XR rims or IRD cadence? Reynolds carbon rims?
Yes, I've built XR-200, XR-270, and XR-300. I have yet to build with any carbon rim, although I welcome the opportunity.
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Operator, If you still care, I built my commuter wheels using IRD Cadence VSR rims.
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I've built wheels with Open Pro 36 hole and 32 hole with no problems. These are 7 and 8 years old and still look new. They've been used for commuting, training, and racing. I like DT Swiss RR 1.1 rims better but they are more expensive. I think the OP's are a good buy for light to moderate loads, not for heavy touring or heavy loads.
I like rims with eyelets.
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Many colours available is something of an understatement...
Sigh...
I can never decide between snakeskin, burlwood, or teak.
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Universal has 36H Open Pros in stock:
https://www.universalcycles.com/shop...8&category=856
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I think the OP's are a good buy...
Even at $75-80 each, which seems to be the going rate for them right now? You can get Sun M13II rims for less than half that. Similar design and better seams in my experience. There's also the Velocity Razor, which often sells for $50-60 each.
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Originally Posted by urbanknight View Post
Even at $75-80 each, which seems to be the going rate for them right now? You can get Sun M13II rims for less than half that. Similar design and better seams in my experience. There's also the Velocity Razor, which often sells for $50-60 each.
I don't know. I haven't paid more than $55 for the OP's, and I haven't tried either of those rims. How do they compare in weight? Do they have eyelets?
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Universal has 36H Open Pros in stock:
https://www.universalcycles.com/shop...8&category=856
Good to know. They didn't when I placed an order with another site
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I don't know. I haven't paid more than $55 for the OP's, and I haven't tried either of those rims. How do they compare in weight? Do they have eyelets?
They are about the same or lighter in weight, and they both have eyelets. I have had better experience with Sun than any other brand.
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