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Old 03-25-10, 02:54 PM
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Mavic Ksyrium with busted rim - replacement options?

Hi guys,
I've got a Mavic ksyrium Elite rear with a badly busted rim, and is debating whether to bin the wheel or to replace the rim.
Replacement rims from Mavic are dangerously close to what a whole wheelset would cost 2nd hand, so I'm fishing around for options.

I can get a rim for a shimano R500 front, for about a quarter of the cost of the Mavic. It's the same spoke count and current research indicates that the ERD is close enough to make it work. Question is: is it worth trying?

The Shimano r500 wheelset use a 24H rear, with the Mavic hub I'd have to settle for a 20H rear.
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Great stuff while it's working, PITA when it needs to be repaired. One question to ask your self: How long before you are back in the same position (in need of a rim/wheel)
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if the R500 front is close enough and you don't mind potentially wasting time and money, then go for it.

If it does work, you'll have to take a pic of the wheel.
Extremely rare to see a shimano rim laced to a mavic hub, usually it's the other way around
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This is exactly the reason I'm such a steadfast believer in traditional hand laced wheels. Plenty of rim selection at decent cost, and I can get wheels exactly tailored to my personal needs, and taste.

You might be able to find a rim from velocity. They do lots of custom drills.
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Interesting because u need a rim Pretty much identical to the mavic one and one or the spokes will be useless. Secondly the only brands i know that have those rims with the spoke heads in the rims are mavic and shimano. Why u dont get a used wheel??, U are now plenty of spokes and hub parts if you have a problem in the future
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[QUOTE=FBinNY;10577671]This is exactly the reason I'm such a steadfast believer in traditional hand laced wheels. Plenty of rim selection at decent cost, and I can get wheels exactly tailored to my personal needs, and taste.


I'll give a big amen to that!
The odd spoked wheels are just marketing hype (bull****).
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Originally Posted by FBinNY View Post
This is exactly the reason I'm such a steadfast believer in traditional hand laced wheels. Plenty of rim selection at decent cost, and I can get wheels exactly tailored to my personal needs, and taste.
I had this wheelset given to me, because the original owner bailed out at the thought of fixing it. So yeah, it's not what I'd chosen if it'd been my money from the start, but given their retail price it seems like a shame to scrap it.

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You might be able to find a rim from velocity. They do lots of custom drills.
I'' do that. Would be nice if their OC rim would fit. The NDS on this one was fairly slack.
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Originally Posted by dabac View Post
I had this wheelset given to me, because the original owner bailed out at the thought of fixing it. So yeah, it's not what I'd chosen if it'd been my money from the start, but given their retail price it seems like a shame to scrap it.
And you've now found out why he scrapped it. The replacement rim shouldn't cost anywhere near 50% of the retail price for those wheels. Check again, or check with a different shop. I want to know exactly what price they are quoting you for those rims.
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Originally Posted by ultraman6970 View Post
Interesting because u need a rim Pretty much identical to the mavic one ...or the spokes will be useless.
The Mavic spokes should be enough for the ERD I've har reported to me, with a few mm to spare. They also have a longer-than-average threaded section, so it really looks like it should work out.

Originally Posted by ultraman6970 View Post
Why u dont get a used wheel??
Can't find one nearby. odds are It'd leave me with an unmatched pair anyhow, and shipping would wreck the economy even compared to getting a rim from Mavic.
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The Mavic spokes should be enough for the ERD I've har reported to me, with a few mm to spare. They also have a longer-than-average threaded section, so it really looks like it should work out.
I'm guessing you're talking about the version that uses standard spoke nipples and not a proprietary interface? You should stop listening to that dude, he has no idea what he's talking about on average.
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Originally Posted by operator View Post
And you've now found out why he scrapped it.
Indeed I have. But if there's a will there's usually a way.

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The replacement rim shouldn't cost anywhere near 50% of the retail price for those wheels.
Not the retail price for another brand new wheel. But compairing the parts cost for repairing this one vs the cost of a used wheel in decent condition its not looking that good.

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Check again, or check with a different shop. I want to know exactly what price they are quoting you for those rims.
150 USD is the quote so far. Looking at the local ads I see a pair of Bontrager Select, lightly used, for 130 USD. Or a pair of Zipp 303, more worn for 140 USD.

The Shimano R500 rim I can get for about 35-40 USD. Best as me and my tape measure can tell, the geometry and the spoke lengths should work out.
Question is if the Shimano rim can take enough spoke tension to build up into a useful rear wheel laced to this hub.
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Originally Posted by operator View Post
I'm guessing you're talking about the version that uses standard spoke nipples and not a proprietary interface? .
Well, no. It's like the Mavic UST rims, with the "grommet" with the left-hand thread that goes over the nipple and screws into the rim. But inside that "grommet" lurks a surprisingly normal-looking spoke. A tad longer, the head is a little rounder and has a nylock insert. But the same thread as a dead stock DT nipple.

My thought, if I go for the Shimano rim, was to ditch the Mavic nipples and run DTs there instead.

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You should stop listening to that dude, he has no idea what he's talking about on average.
That dude would be me, who unscrewed a spoke from the wheel, and laid it against a tape measure. The Mavic bladed spokes has a lot more thread than a stock DT spoke.
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Well, no. It's like the Mavic UST rims, with the "grommet" with the left-hand thread that goes over the nipple and screws into the rim. But inside that "grommet" lurks a surprisingly normal-looking spoke. A tad longer, the head is a little rounder and has a nylock insert. But the same thread as a dead stock DT nipple.

My thought, if I go for the Shimano rim, was to ditch the Mavic nipples and run DTs there instead.

That dude would be me, who unscrewed a spoke from the wheel, and laid it against a tape measure. The Mavic bladed spokes has a lot more thread than a stock DT spoke.
The latest elites use a proprietary interface to the rim, the '07 ish range do not - i'd like to see a picture of the wheel. Obviously you seem to have enough mechanical experience to determine whether lacing to a nearly identical ERD rim would work or not. I defer to that - food for thought. Good luck with that - the MSRP for new elites is around 500-600 USD.
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How about seeking out a wheel with a busted hub or broken spokes but a rim with life left in it? Unless time is of the essence, that is probably what I would do. If you live in an area with an active craigslist, try posting a wanted ad. Someone might have some broken junk laying around for you.
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FWIW if you're looking at used stuff, '09 Elites got a fairly radical re-design, lost a bunch of weight. You can tell these at a glance by the way the rim is milled away between the spokes. Just saying this for compatibility purposes. '08 and earlier don't have the elaborate milling on the rims.
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Did you ever find a fitting rim?

Hey Dabac,

I'm in the same boat. I have a Ksyrium Elite set with concave rim walls that I'm afraid are about to go. I would be interested to know if you tried the shimano rim on for the rear of if you have figured out another solution. Would be a shame to let these smooth hubs retire in their prime... Thanks!
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