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Old 06-19-10, 12:02 PM
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Do I need new spokes?

Well crap. I thought I had the rear derailleur limits adjusted properly but the chain slipped off between the cog and the spokes...

Bike didn't come with a dork disc, previous owner removed it I guess.

I was going really slow like maybe 5-10km/hr and it got stuck in there real good. Took me about 10-15 minutes and taking off the wheel to get it out of there. I need a new chain because one of the links has seized up.

The spokes aren't broken but if i peek in between the cassette and spokes i see that little slices of metal has been shaved off a few of them. Do I need new spokes or should they be okay?
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I would replace them, both for reliability and because the bending could throw off true as the spokes adjust from the fatigue.
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Hard to say...

If they are quality DT or Wheelsmith or Phil and just have scrapes and shavings off of em, you'd be amazed at how long they'll hold up under proper tension.

However, if you see actual cuts and slices in the spokes - kinda like what you see when you take cutters to a wire but stop a 1/3 of the way through - consider getting them replaced.

And if you do have the money...why not? Bet they look ugly now for starters...

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It's a road bike wheel. It looks like someone took a pair of wire cutters and maybe cut off 1/4th for maybe 3 of them close the hub. Like shaves came off that looked like tiny bits of paper.
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Actually not even that much, looks like when you skin your knee and a piece of skin peeled off. I think I'm gonna leave it.
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Originally Posted by Pockymonster View Post
Actually not even that much, looks like when you skin your knee and a piece of skin peeled off. I think I'm gonna leave it.
That's pretty good description...better than mine. So you'll probably squeek by just fine. But when you do get some funds...get the wheel rebuilt. Scraped spokes quite frankly does result in one ugly looking wheel.

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The beauty is that you can't see it because it's between the cassette and wheel.

Ugh I did just crash and ****ed up the bar tape on one side though
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You probably need 8 new spokes.

When you overshift your chain it tends to bugger up the outside spokes right at the elbow where they tend to break anyway. If you don't replace them they might work fine for a long, long time. If your luck runs like mine, however, they will wait and break only when you're 40 miles away from your car. This is the kind of preventive maintenance that I prefer to deal with in the comfort of my shop at home rather than roadside.
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Odds are you've nicked the spokes and they'll break sooner or later. That said, unless you're planning a long trip, you might as well wait until they break.

It's not like there's a downside to not doing anything. Worst case you'll need new spokes and a wheel alignment, maybe a rebuild, but that's where you are now, so what's to lose by waiting? With any luck, you'll need to rebuild anyway some time for another reason like a crash or deep pothole, but in the meantime any mileage you get out of the wheel before then is gravy.

As I said, if you''re planning a long trip where reliability is at a premium, that changes things and you should consider rebuilding now.
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Thanks guys. I'm going to leave it for now. I don't ride further than 20KM from home anyway. If I do it's still within the city (Toronto) so the worst thing that can happen is bring it into a nearby bike store, call a friend/relative to pick me up in their car, take the transit (subway or bus), or call a cab.


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I guess I will take a different view here. I have had this exact issue and the spokes did begin to break one by one until I replaced 9 of them on that side of the wheel that had been damaged. Make no mistake. These will fail at some point and much earlier than they should because of the damage. I would replace them without question. Just my .02 YMMV.
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From as safety and reliability point yes you should at least replace the spokes that show any sign of marking scratched or gouges from the chain.
Spokes can have quite a bit of tension when riding and those marks are the starting point for failing, One will break sooner or later and possibly more once it happens.
While a breaking spoke usually don't cause crashes you never know and I would not have a peace of mind knowing I was riding on something like you have or allow some one else to ride it.
Replace the ones that are bad its not expensive or hard to do, if you don't know how have your LBS do it won't cost much
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I did the same thing on my bike almost a year ago, only one of the spokes has broken so far, also touring frame ran fixed = huge clearance in the back so my wheel coming out of true wasn't an issue for me
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Hrm... kinda tight on cash right now I think I'm going to leave it. Seems some haven't had many problems and some have. It seems like I can almost always wait til it does break to fix it. I think my LBS said they'd charge me $0.8 to $1.20 per spoke and $20 labour. Is that the going rate?
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Yes, that's about right, depending on where you live it might even be to the low range of average.
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Hope you have good luck which is most likely the case but you never know.
I have a habit of not riding others bikes or motorcycles because one never knows how its been maintained, unless I really know the person very well and I know they keep their rides 100%.
I have seen and know people who have had things come loose or fail one was on someone else's ride at the time they ate it big.
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