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Garthr 09-14-10 06:16 AM

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dnomel .... I've got a Reynolds 531C full chrome fork from a '85 60cm. Gitane racing bike I'll sell you for $25 plus shipping. ISO, 204mm steerer. Recessed 700c wheel. You can cut it to fit. If you think it's ugly, you have bad taste. Whatever you do... get a proper fork.
http://bikeforums.net/attachment.php...hmentid=169631

Vince Canepa 09-14-10 07:19 AM

The repair described by the OP would put the adhesive in shear. That won't work for any length of time.

mvnsnd 09-14-10 07:47 AM

Seems a lot easier to just get a new fork. Then you never have to worry about what you did with the old one.

BCRider 09-14-10 09:43 AM


Originally Posted by Vince Canepa (Post 11461417)
The repair described by the OP would put the adhesive in shear. That won't work for any length of time.

Actually the portion of the glue inside between the stem and the steer tube that is in shear is the good spot of the joint. We always want to create a joint that uses any glue in shear as this is the glue's strongest way to support any load. It's the butt joint with stem inside which will be prone to stretching and flexing where the epoxy is under alternating values of tension and compression that is the issue.

Leebo 09-14-10 02:14 PM

They make threaded and threadless steering tube extensions. Harris bike shop carries them.

verktyg 09-15-10 01:55 AM

Back in the early 70s I personally experienced the joy of having a steering tube break off at the headset adjustable cup. I was riding down the street with the disconnected bars in my hands.

By some stroke of luck I was able to shove the stem back into the broken steerer and stop the bike. It was on a customer's cheap bike boom bike that I was test riding.

After that I developed the habit of bouncing the front wheel up a down a few times before checking out any bike that came into our shop. I found at least one or two with failed brazes at the fork crown/steerer that way. The brake bolts were all that were holding the forks on.

Now about the OP's idea... do you have 6 friends?

Chas.

DannoXYZ 09-15-10 12:06 PM


Originally Posted by Leebo (Post 11463797)
They make threaded and threadless steering tube extensions. Harris bike shop carries them.

That would only work if you can get the top of the headset on. The OP's fork isn't long enough for that.

dnomel 09-15-10 11:26 PM


Originally Posted by Garthr (Post 11461191)
dnomel .... I've got a Reynolds 531C full chrome fork from a '85 60cm. Gitane racing bike I'll sell you for $25 plus shipping. ISO, 204mm steerer. Recessed 700c wheel. You can cut it to fit. If you think it's ugly, you have bad taste. Whatever you do... get a proper fork.
http://bikeforums.net/attachment.php...hmentid=169631



Thanks, I'm sure that's a very nice fork and a generous offer, but this is just a mechanical project/experiment. And I have tried mixing forks for different size frames before and had bad luck, something just doesn't feel right in the handling. That one looks kind of like it has less offset than likely suitable for this small frame.
I actually did put the parts of this project together dry just out of curiousity, and it felt doable. I hose clamped a shim onto the stem above the top nut of the headset to give this extension portion backing as the headset is tightened. tightened the stem into the fork first (fully inserted, actually bottomed out into the intact fork), then tightened the headset. Felt pretty good and could probably do a short smooth test ride like that without glue, just the shim and hose clamp above. Definitely not something I would trust for anything more than a level test run, but it was pretty easy to set up and could allow me to at least get a feel for this fork, sometimes you don't need much to get an idea about a fork's suitability.

fietsbob 09-15-10 11:49 PM

You meed dimensions for your goal , fork crown race face to the axis of the wheel. fork rake , blade length
. in other words the bottom of the fork and its geometry matters
and if you get a fork with those ,and there an abundance of steerer tube youre in a good place..
dont disparage a fork thats on the long side its better than too short..
Of course you cab turn the frame over to a custom builder and say make me a fork for this
and I want XYZ handling , and there will be something offered to work.

Sixty Fiver 09-16-10 12:02 AM


Originally Posted by dnomel (Post 11460592)
Man that is one ugly fork. The fork I'm considering for this experiment is an old vitus alum blades/steel steerer that I thought was a good match to an old sv980 frame.
The stem is steel, and the small section of threaded steerer from another fork.
I wish I could change the title to this thread because I think it has caused some confusion. Just to be clear, there is no gluing of steerer tube to steerer tube. The stem still fully inserts into the fork. It may be a stupid idea for a variety of known and not yet known reasons, but with the setup I am imagining on this paricular bike with a low stem, if the glue fails I don't think I'll have much nore than a very loos headset. Bad, but probably not disasterous even at some speed.
And to an earlier post about alignment, the idea was to set it up in such a way that the bearings would hopefully keep it aligned while the glue hardened. There is a bit of slop in there and it seems like epoxy might work ok, jb weld is all I've heard of.

Get a new fork... aluminium forks suck hard.

And when they break... it is spectacular.

Sixty Fiver 09-16-10 12:04 AM


Originally Posted by Garthr (Post 11461191)
dnomel .... I've got a Reynolds 531C full chrome fork from a '85 60cm. Gitane racing bike I'll sell you for $25 plus shipping. ISO, 204mm steerer. Recessed 700c wheel. You can cut it to fit. If you think it's ugly, you have bad taste. Whatever you do... get a proper fork.
http://bikeforums.net/attachment.php...hmentid=169631

Nice fork... 25.00 you say ?

vettefrc2000 09-16-10 05:10 AM


Originally Posted by dnomel (Post 11472946)
Thanks, I'm sure that's a very nice fork and a generous offer, but this is just a mechanical project/experiment. And I have tried mixing forks for different size frames before and had bad luck, something just doesn't feel right in the handling. That one looks kind of like it has less offset than likely suitable for this small frame.
I actually did put the parts of this project together dry just out of curiousity, and it felt doable. I hose clamped a shim onto the stem above the top nut of the headset to give this extension portion backing as the headset is tightened. tightened the stem into the fork first (fully inserted, actually bottomed out into the intact fork), then tightened the headset. Felt pretty good and could probably do a short smooth test ride like that without glue, just the shim and hose clamp above. Definitely not something I would trust for anything more than a level test run, but it was pretty easy to set up and could allow me to at least get a feel for this fork, sometimes you don't need much to get an idea about a fork's suitability.

Why not cut the steer tube at the halfway point. Thread the inside of both pieces with a pitch corresponding to a long treadled bold or a piece of threaded rod. Screw it all together and have fun.

Garthr 09-16-10 12:12 PM


Originally Posted by Sixty Fiver (Post 11473010)
Nice fork... 25.00 you say ?


Yes, I got a local offer for it today though. I've had it on Pittsburgh Craigslist for about a week. I think it's a steal really, but it's been collecting dust for 20 some years and as they say, use or lose it. .... or in this case sell it. If the guy flakes out, I'll let you know.

M_S 09-16-10 07:26 PM

Most people are misunderstanding the "fix." The cut and JB epoxied section of steerer would be glued to the stem and serve only to thread the headset onto, right?

It's still a bad idea, but not as life threatening as many have implied (or stated).

The JB will fail, and then you will have a very wobbly front end. Most likely to happen standing and wrenching the bars on a climb, I would think, but it could absolutely cause a bad crash if it pulls apart downhill/in a turn.

I would convert to threadless or find a new fork or frame.

dnomel 09-17-10 12:13 AM


Originally Posted by M_S (Post 11477542)
Most people are misunderstanding the "fix." The cut and JB epoxied section of steerer would be glued to the stem and serve only to thread the headset onto, right?

It's still a bad idea, but not as life threatening as many have implied (or stated).

The JB will fail, and then you will have a very wobbly front end. Most likely to happen standing and wrenching the bars on a climb, I would think, but it could absolutely cause a bad crash if it pulls apart downhill/in a turn.

I would convert to threadless or find a new fork or frame.

Right, just attached to the stem. A bad idea for a fix, an idea out of frustration for a 1cm too short steerer, and again sorry for the confusion. But it may end up being useful in that if this fork feels ok on a careful test ride, at least I'll have a reference for a replacement. I might start holding onto old forks and bb's just to have around as measuring instruments. I tried another fork previously with this frame and it just didn't feel right, too little offset I'm thinking.

dabac 09-17-10 03:53 AM


Originally Posted by dnomel (Post 11478756)
Right, just attached to the stem.

Again, instead of JB - use something like Loctite 680: http://www.henkelna.com/cps/rde/xchg...UID=0000000HWK, or perhaps Loctite 638: http://tds.loctite.com/tds5/docs/638-EN.PDF

With that you might still have alignment issues, but with decent surface prep I honestly don't think it'd come apart for you.

dnomel 09-18-10 12:42 AM


Originally Posted by dabac (Post 11478938)
Again, instead of JB - use something like Loctite 680: http://www.henkelna.com/cps/rde/xchg...UID=0000000HWK, or perhaps Loctite 638: http://tds.loctite.com/tds5/docs/638-EN.PDF

With that you might still have alignment issues, but with decent surface prep I honestly don't think it'd come apart for you.




Thanks, looks interesting and better than jbweld. I think for now I will leave this thing unglued with the shim/clamp in place as that should be sufficient for a short and careful test ride of the fork, that's about all I would do anyway at this point even if it was glued together. It is interesting though to try to imagine what normal forces are acting along the steerer tube with a quill stem and threadless. I'd like to understand better how and where they break.

dabac 09-18-10 01:15 PM


Originally Posted by dnomel (Post 11484317)
.. It is interesting though to try to imagine what normal forces are acting along the steerer tube with a quill stem and threadless. I'd like to understand better how and where they break.

For "normal" use, most bicycles have an ample safe margin in their design.
The steerer tube failures that I've seen have all been fatigue related, in which case it doesn't take that much for something to act as a stress riser and eventually prove fatal to the structure.

Ottomobike 09-20-10 06:45 AM

Asphalt sandwich coming up !!!

verktyg 09-22-10 09:17 PM

Ask George Hincapie about broken aluminum forks, i.e. the 2006 Paris-Roubaix.

Excuse me while I kiss the sky... doh, wrong way up!

Chas.

fietsbob 09-22-10 09:33 PM

His I believe was a Carbon fork with an aluminum steerer.
It lost to Cobbles Of the route to Roubaix.


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