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110m 3-speed freewheel Phil Wood hub? Really?

Old 10-13-10, 12:30 AM
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110m 3-speed freewheel Phil Wood hub? Really?

I purchased a NOS Phil Wood hub as a buy-it-now that was listed as a
5-speed rear hub.

But, the seller has sent repeated messages to me to convince me to back
out of the purchase, saying that it is not really a 5-speed, 120mm rear
hub, but is actually a 110m hub for 3- or 4-speed freewheels.

I've never heard of Phil making such hubs. I've actually never heard of
such hubs. Period.

It's Item # 110597095197

Any comments or advice?

Thank you.

Owen W.
sitting in Savannakhet, Laos
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Old 10-13-10, 12:35 AM
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Once upon a time they made 3 and 4 speed blocks but 110mm is a track spacing... the 4 speed block on my 1957 Peugeot is on a 120mm spaced hub which will also take a 5 speed.
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Old 10-13-10, 12:56 AM
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Mystery solved.

It is apparently not even a rear hub. It is a front hub for a tandem. The threads are for the Phil Disk Brake!

Learn something new everyday. (Might have to pay for it, tho!)

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Phil Co can press in a different axle and turn it into a useful freewheel hub.
I bought a Phil Hub, actually a 48 spoke flange shell [bike shop garage sale] ,
and mailed it to San Jose CA..

built a very strong rear wheel on it and rode with camping gear aboard.

Could have been an ex front screw on disc hub, shell
on the left side forces tighten RH thread from braking energy.
on the right side the freewheel tightens on the same RH thread to make you go forward.
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Originally Posted by Sixty Fiver View Post
Once upon a time they made 3 and 4 speed blocks...
Rumors of the demise of these components have been greatly exaggerated.
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Originally Posted by tcs View Post
Rumors of the demise of these components have been greatly exaggerated.


I did see these a while back... 3 and 4 speed blocks vanished here about 50 years ago and don't even know if anyone builds a bike with a 3-4 speed drive.

Now I am thinking that those 3 speed blocks might fit nicely on a 120mm spaced track hub.... hmmmm.
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Has anybody cracked the India export barrier? So many cool parts that need to be purchased in shipping container-sized quantities.
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Woah. I've been meaning to start a thread about half inch, 3 speed freewheels, as I've had one sitting on my bench for weeks. I had the same thought as you, Sixty, but I havn't tried it out yet.
Were these meant to be shifted with a derailleur and a half inch chain or was in a wingnut and pull the wheel back kind of situation?
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Half inch chain?
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I was in a Vietnamese bike shop several days ago. Tons of really cheap, solid Chinese stuff. Rear derailleurs that were cheap, heave VX knock-offs. I've cycled in India, too. Tank-built stuff, but heavy. If there were an actual market here, it would be here. There isn't.

I also found an early 50's Peugeot swooped mixte here in Savannakhet, Laos, yesterday. Totally rusted out. A decoration in a small restaurant near the Mekong river.

I'm not sure if the threading on this Phil front hub is deep enough for a freewheel. Anyway, I've agreed to cancel the sale. The seller has pulled the listing for the matching rear hub and will eventually relist them as a NOS matched pair. That's as it should be.

It's true that you can send the hubs back to Phil for resizing, etc. But that wouldn't have been the right thing.

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Half inch chain?
Whoops. 1/8th inch. Duh.
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