Tips before stripping my bike for sand blasting/painting? Sand blasting CF fork?
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Tips before stripping my bike for sand blasting/painting? Sand blasting CF fork?
I've had my 2004 Giant OCR-3 for a month. I love it. But its paint job sucks. So I'm going to sand blast it and paint it with auto paint. Cobalt Blue. The friend that got me into cycling is gonna paint his too, so I will have someone there to help me reassemble it. It needs to be readjusted anyway, since half the gears don't work since I broke it in.
My father has a shop. They have a sand blaster, and an auto paint gun. So I'm gonna take the thing apart, sand blast the Aluminum frame, sand it, clean it with alcohol, paint it, let it dry and reassemble it. I also wanna do the CF forks. But I am concerned that the sand will **** up the CF. I plan to take it really easy while sandblasting so as not to cause pits.
The bike is due for a tune-up anyway, and its free at the shop, so I figure that they will deal with any maladjustments that the reassembly causes. What grit paper should I use on the frame? Any tips in general?
My father has a shop. They have a sand blaster, and an auto paint gun. So I'm gonna take the thing apart, sand blast the Aluminum frame, sand it, clean it with alcohol, paint it, let it dry and reassemble it. I also wanna do the CF forks. But I am concerned that the sand will **** up the CF. I plan to take it really easy while sandblasting so as not to cause pits.
The bike is due for a tune-up anyway, and its free at the shop, so I figure that they will deal with any maladjustments that the reassembly causes. What grit paper should I use on the frame? Any tips in general?
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I recently asked the same question about DIYers painting. Search for "painting" in the thread. Good thing you are using real automotive paint cause there is some catalyst that you need that does not come in spray cans.
Carbon fiber fork....good question, not sure about that one. You could just buy a new black one if you screw it up (hopefully that won't happen . Carbon fibers forks are pretty cheap these days. I saw a LOOK 1" for $100....looked awesome.
Carbon fiber fork....good question, not sure about that one. You could just buy a new black one if you screw it up (hopefully that won't happen . Carbon fibers forks are pretty cheap these days. I saw a LOOK 1" for $100....looked awesome.
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Hmmm.... bad idea all together...
You might want to call up the manufacturer of your bike first. Most companies.. if you paint it.. you void the warranty. Unless you don't give a **** about your warranty, you can almost guarantee to kiss it good bye.
Just my 2 cents.
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You might want to call up the manufacturer of your bike first. Most companies.. if you paint it.. you void the warranty. Unless you don't give a **** about your warranty, you can almost guarantee to kiss it good bye.
Just my 2 cents.
-Matt
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Leave the fork alone if it is bare CF with a clear coat. Kind of gives it that black-hooded muscle car look.
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This is not a bad idea altogether. I've painted cars before. Its not that complicated. Takes serious skill to get a CAR perfect, but a bike? HA! Besides, I can't stand pedaling around on a corporate ad, and cobalt blue is my favorite color.
The fork is not bare CF. It is black with blue and silver stripes on it. I think that I will shoot a little sand at it and see what happens... and I will probably just end up hand sanding it and painting over the existing paint.
As for the warranty... if this frame were to break, then I would transfer the components to a Bianchi frame or something, and paint that. Not too concerned about the frame breaking.
The fork is not bare CF. It is black with blue and silver stripes on it. I think that I will shoot a little sand at it and see what happens... and I will probably just end up hand sanding it and painting over the existing paint.
As for the warranty... if this frame were to break, then I would transfer the components to a Bianchi frame or something, and paint that. Not too concerned about the frame breaking.
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Originally Posted by rj987652003
I recently asked the same question about DIYers painting. Search for "painting" in the thread. Good thing you are using real automotive paint cause there is some catalyst that you need that does not come in spray cans.
Carbon fiber fork....good question, not sure about that one. You could just buy a new black one if you screw it up (hopefully that won't happen . Carbon fibers forks are pretty cheap these days. I saw a LOOK 1" for $100....looked awesome.
Carbon fiber fork....good question, not sure about that one. You could just buy a new black one if you screw it up (hopefully that won't happen . Carbon fibers forks are pretty cheap these days. I saw a LOOK 1" for $100....looked awesome.
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Okay, upon second thought I am not gonna blasat the CF fork whatsoever. I'm just gonna sand it up and repaint. And in doing some research, it looks like I'm gonna have to go very easy on the aluminum when I sandblast it, and then thoroughly sand it afterwards.
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https://www.finishing.com/4000-4199/4143.html
Since I'm not looking to get it to shine... I just want it to take paint, then I think I'll be okay.
Reece,
My company buffs fuel tanks, bumpers and hood crown assemblies for Peterbilt Truck Company. Your project is more complicated than you perhaps first realized. Mr. Richardson is absolutely correct in that sandblasting is terribly detrimental to the aluminum surface. What you'll have to do is use the finest grit polishing grit sandpaper that will remove the sand blast surface.
You'll need to go progressively finer and you'll probably need to finish out with a 400 grit finish that could be buffed to a mirror finish. This will require the use of cotton buffing wheels with tripoli compound and you could get the proper shine with a cotton buffing wheel with a dry chrome rouge.
I doubt that you'll be able to polish the sandblast surface adequately to give yourself the mirror finish you're looking for though. My advice is to take the swing arm to a professional metal finishing shop where they have the equipment and expertise to adequately polish and buff your part.
My company buffs fuel tanks, bumpers and hood crown assemblies for Peterbilt Truck Company. Your project is more complicated than you perhaps first realized. Mr. Richardson is absolutely correct in that sandblasting is terribly detrimental to the aluminum surface. What you'll have to do is use the finest grit polishing grit sandpaper that will remove the sand blast surface.
You'll need to go progressively finer and you'll probably need to finish out with a 400 grit finish that could be buffed to a mirror finish. This will require the use of cotton buffing wheels with tripoli compound and you could get the proper shine with a cotton buffing wheel with a dry chrome rouge.
I doubt that you'll be able to polish the sandblast surface adequately to give yourself the mirror finish you're looking for though. My advice is to take the swing arm to a professional metal finishing shop where they have the equipment and expertise to adequately polish and buff your part.
To remove pits from aluminum, I usually have to start with 80 grit paper. Sometimes I have had to use 40 grit, if it is factory cast . I work my way up to 2000 grit with the finishing grain going the same direction as my intended polish grain. I first use a roughing compound and finishing up with white diamond or white tripoli. I found that hand blocking the surface produces better results compared to rotational sanding..you then would have to polish out alot of swirl marks with the latter technique.
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If that's an aluminum frame I'd be real careful when sandblasting it. I wouldn't even consider sandblasting the CF fork. Just my opinion.
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Originally Posted by spinbackle
If that's an aluminum frame I'd be real careful when sandblasting it. I wouldn't even consider sandblasting the CF fork. Just my opinion.
The Aluminum frame will be okay as long as I am willing to give it a thorough sanding afterwards. The site I found says that you can even get them to a mirror shine like chrome after sand blasting, if you're willing to put in the time sanding.
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It's best to remove all decals just in case. The thick, plastic type of decals (about the thickness of electrical tape) should be removed. The thinner type of decals are supposed to come off during sand blasting, but I usually scrape them off just to be on the safe side.
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Don't bother sandblasting anything. Just sand it by hand with 400 grit to give the new paint some bite. You won't need a primer. Flatten areas with decals and feather out the pits and scratches. The fork is going to need some kind of epoxy paint. If you use the solvent based paints on the fork you will wreck it. I recommend Dupont Lucite Acrylic Laquer for the frame. Easy to spray easy to fix mistakes. Don't try to put too much paint on at once. It will run. Spray lightly wait a few minutes and spray again. Remember it is going to need a week of drying if you don't use heat lamps to bake it.
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Thanks for the info. Is Dupont Lucite Acrylic Laquer an auto paint? And do they make epoxy paint for autos? I didn't consider that the fork might **** up. I guess I'll ask my uncle what he uses on CF hoods.
I'll put some lamps on it to hopefully speed the drying to a few days.
I'll put some lamps on it to hopefully speed the drying to a few days.
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PS I know it's kinda fun to paint a frame yourself, but unless you have a propper gun, it's very unlikely you'll get a finish that's anywhere close to a profesional job.
I've done it a few times, and I've given up spraying my bikes with a can -- it's just too hard to get right, inlvolves heaps of stuffing around, it's messy, and you ALWAYS end up spending much more on paint than you originally budget for.
In my opinion, the most important part of a refurbish is getting new decals. Nothing looks worse than a bare frame. I like my bikes to look like an Indy car: decals everywhere!!!
I've done it a few times, and I've given up spraying my bikes with a can -- it's just too hard to get right, inlvolves heaps of stuffing around, it's messy, and you ALWAYS end up spending much more on paint than you originally budget for.
In my opinion, the most important part of a refurbish is getting new decals. Nothing looks worse than a bare frame. I like my bikes to look like an Indy car: decals everywhere!!!
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I have a proper gun, or I wouldn't do it. I like a bare frame Thats the point! Just my favorite color...
Thats from https://www.sheldonbrown.com/rinard/carbonqa.htm
Painting
Q: How can I paint over carbon fiber wheels (e.g. Specialized tri spoke, disc wheels and Zipp wheels)? How hard is it to do custom paint on carbon fiber? What materials do I need? Any recommended readings or URLs ???
A: Yes, you can paint over carbon fiber. Call JB for a pro job, or do it yourself. In my experience this is how it's done:
1. Remove stickers and their adhesives (I use DX-330 or acetone).
2. Hand sand off some of the old clear coat or paint, if present. Decals under the clear coat can be sanded smooth this way. Stop sanding immediately at any spot if you touch carbon. It is incredibly easy to remove carbon by hand sanding. Watch especially near sharp edges (airfoil trailing edges on wheels, frames and forks) and parting lines on molded parts (often along the center line of frames and wheels, often along the sides of forks). Wet sanding helps keep the dust down.
3. Clean the surface mechanically and chemically as follows:
- Mechanically clean: remove stuff like paint flakes, old bits of dried substances, stickers and their adhesives, decals, flapping plies, scale, crud, etc.
- Chemically clean: remove grease and oil: fingerprints, real grease from old bike parts, oil from the old bike chain, etc.
- One last wash: rinse and scrub with acetone until white paper towels come clean.
4. Prime using Fill'n'Sand or similar. Fill'n'sand is just a high-build primer intended to hide small imperfections, which, depending on your level of perfectionism, is optional ;-). Any similarly described product should do.
5. Paint using regular paint (Imron, Deltron, PPG, spray can, etc.) as usual. Do not exceed 100 degrees F. Some pinholes may appear. I think this may be outgassing. Bake at lower temps or let the paint dry at room temp to avoid.
See https://www.westsystem.com/webpages/u.../index.htm#2.6 for West System's recommendations for preparing a newly cured epoxy surface for paint.
* Warnings:
1. Do not media blast with any media! Not sand, not plastic, not glass beads, not walnut shells, not steel or ceramic shot. Nothing! Not at even the lightest pressure or for even the shortest time. It is incredibly easy to eat away the carbon and epoxy. Before you know it your part is ruined!
2. Do not use chemical paint strippers! They will attack the epoxy resin that holds your part together. Acetone, alcohol and other solvents are okay, but they don't remove paint.
3. Do not use heat! Some epoxies undergo glass transition as low as 150 degrees F or so. Keep it under 100 to be safe. If it is too hot to touch with your bare skin, it is too hot. That means no power tools (buffing wheels, sanding discs, etc.) and no heat gun paint strippers, etc.
Q: How can I paint over carbon fiber wheels (e.g. Specialized tri spoke, disc wheels and Zipp wheels)? How hard is it to do custom paint on carbon fiber? What materials do I need? Any recommended readings or URLs ???
A: Yes, you can paint over carbon fiber. Call JB for a pro job, or do it yourself. In my experience this is how it's done:
1. Remove stickers and their adhesives (I use DX-330 or acetone).
2. Hand sand off some of the old clear coat or paint, if present. Decals under the clear coat can be sanded smooth this way. Stop sanding immediately at any spot if you touch carbon. It is incredibly easy to remove carbon by hand sanding. Watch especially near sharp edges (airfoil trailing edges on wheels, frames and forks) and parting lines on molded parts (often along the center line of frames and wheels, often along the sides of forks). Wet sanding helps keep the dust down.
3. Clean the surface mechanically and chemically as follows:
- Mechanically clean: remove stuff like paint flakes, old bits of dried substances, stickers and their adhesives, decals, flapping plies, scale, crud, etc.
- Chemically clean: remove grease and oil: fingerprints, real grease from old bike parts, oil from the old bike chain, etc.
- One last wash: rinse and scrub with acetone until white paper towels come clean.
4. Prime using Fill'n'Sand or similar. Fill'n'sand is just a high-build primer intended to hide small imperfections, which, depending on your level of perfectionism, is optional ;-). Any similarly described product should do.
5. Paint using regular paint (Imron, Deltron, PPG, spray can, etc.) as usual. Do not exceed 100 degrees F. Some pinholes may appear. I think this may be outgassing. Bake at lower temps or let the paint dry at room temp to avoid.
See https://www.westsystem.com/webpages/u.../index.htm#2.6 for West System's recommendations for preparing a newly cured epoxy surface for paint.
* Warnings:
1. Do not media blast with any media! Not sand, not plastic, not glass beads, not walnut shells, not steel or ceramic shot. Nothing! Not at even the lightest pressure or for even the shortest time. It is incredibly easy to eat away the carbon and epoxy. Before you know it your part is ruined!
2. Do not use chemical paint strippers! They will attack the epoxy resin that holds your part together. Acetone, alcohol and other solvents are okay, but they don't remove paint.
3. Do not use heat! Some epoxies undergo glass transition as low as 150 degrees F or so. Keep it under 100 to be safe. If it is too hot to touch with your bare skin, it is too hot. That means no power tools (buffing wheels, sanding discs, etc.) and no heat gun paint strippers, etc.
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Originally Posted by Crunkologist
I've painted cars before. Its not that complicated. Takes serious skill to get a CAR perfect, but a bike? HA!
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Originally Posted by Crunkologist
Thanks for the info. Is Dupont Lucite Acrylic Laquer an auto paint? And do they make epoxy paint for autos? I didn't consider that the fork might **** up. I guess I'll ask my uncle what he uses on CF hoods.
I'll put some lamps on it to hopefully speed the drying to a few days.
I'll put some lamps on it to hopefully speed the drying to a few days.
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Originally Posted by Lightspeed
Yeah the Dupont Lucite Acrylic Laquer is an auto paint should be available in any auto paint shop by the pint. With thinner it may cost about $75 to get enough to paint a bike (actually a couple from the pint).
If you get a run with them it is a lot harder to just sand it and respray it. The acrylic laquer is very forgiving and has a good hard finish if properly dried, also easy to handle and clean up.
Remember all paint volatiles are dangerous. Do not consider painting your bike without respirator protection and adequate ventilation. Most of these thinners are carcinogens and the Imron stuff is particularly nasty.